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« on: March 13, 2006, 11:51:48 PM »

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I have a friend who says that her yahoo messenger was hacked into; is there any way that she can find out who it was that hacked into her yahoo messenger?  she says friends were added without her knowledge.  I have checked anti-virus, spyware, firewall, etc.  Thank you in advance.

Stephen of Brandon, Florida
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2006, 11:58:12 PM »

Welcome to the forum mmpcsnet  hello
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2006, 04:10:39 AM »

I would uninstall and reinstall the software.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2006, 12:42:26 AM »

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I have a friend who says that her yahoo messenger was hacked into; is there any way that she can find out who it was that hacked into her yahoo messenger?  she says friends were added without her knowledge.  I have checked anti-virus, spyware, firewall, etc.  Thank you in advance.

Stephen of Brandon, Florida

Has she contacted yahoo about this by some chance.  Funny you should bring this topic up as I had a similar situation today with one of our customers.  I will tell you the same thing I told her.  First of all....contact yahoo, the one contact number I have for them is (408) 349-1572.  Second, stop using yahoo messenger for the moment.....at least until she can get a grasp as to whats happening.

The "hacker" has somehow gleened her login information, whether it was through keystoke logging, phishing or other....and there is some concern that other personal information of hers is at risk.

If she does any online banking or bill paying she needs to contact those companies by phone right away and give them a new email address and don't forget to change all logins and passwords.

To be safe just in case it's a bug on her pc that is quietly passing this information on to her "hacker" foe, wipe the pc...I mean entirely, reformat and reinstall a clean O/S.  Don't bother with removal tools as they can be easily defeated before they ever get started.

Next and most important.  If she even thinks for a second that her personal information has been compromised tell her to contact Trans Union, Equifax and Experian and place at minimum a temporary Fraud Alert on her credit reports.  This will last a minimum of 3 months and will give her time to determine how bad the breach really is.  If need be the alert can be extended to 7 years which will give her plenty of protection.  By law any credit grantor must make contact with her first before granting any credit.  This will also protect her if damage is already in progress as her existing creditors will be put on immediate notice to look for things that just don't seem right and protect her (and themselves) accordingly.

She needs to contact her local law enforcement and at least file a preliminary report.  If it turns out that she is also a victim of identity theft the groundwork will be in place to properly investigate the matter and her creditors will work directly with the investigating officer.

This is a very scary situation and the potential damages are not only real but can be devastating.  Immediate action is the only course that should be taken and don't skip any of the steps.  Time is of the essence.....even one day can wipe a person out financially for a very long time.

Good Luck!

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2006, 12:46:52 PM »

Here is a little bit more about this hack.. the user is sent a link to a site where they are asked to log in with their yahoo id.  Once that is done, since yahoo messenger doesnt use any sort of encryption on the data files, it is pretty much free game.  Once infected it uses the computer to send out more requests to other friends.. This is very similar to what the aim viruses do with the picture links.

Anything else other than what is in the profile, contact list, and conversation log is pretty much not affected  by this sort of attack.   This is not all that hard to pull of locally either.  If you have a switch, you can monitor the conversations, in and out, with ethereal cause there is no encryption.  This is just taking it to another level.  However, until now, it was rather hard to get the login and password with out doing some real work.  The other reason that you would want the login and password is to view the conversation log aka archive.   You have to be logged in to view it.. See where this is going?

The only part of the process that is encypted is the log in.. here, i think, is the function for the encyption.. http://www.phpfreaks.com/quickcode/Yahoo!_Messenger(tm)_Encryption_algorithm/154.php

If you are logging on to a bank site, most likely it going to be fairly secure.. I mean with all of the ad ware and data mining that goes on... you dont hear about 100,000s of people getting this identify stolen due to on line banking.  Which is why there are scams about go to this site to update your username and password.  that way they can get your information.  Since most on line banking is done via SSL and the encryption is done with RSA or higher. 

From what I can see is this attack/hack it trying to get information from the logs and just about you, not your bank account.. now if you username and password are the same..  Rolling Eyes  that is your fault i guess.  That is what I am getting our of all of this.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2006, 08:00:02 PM »

Minimizing the potential damage done is not something that should be suggested.  Anytime a person's login information to any system regardless if its yahoo, sleezebay,  bank or other you should always take the steps I posted previously.

Having been an identity theft victim twice, once courtesy of a bank and the other courtesy of a former roommate I speak from experience.

The damage happens in hours and can take years to resolve and in many cases your financial condition is never the same.  In my case it's been two years since the last occurance and I am still dealing with the issues. 

Most corporate security departments (ie: banks, utilities, credit cards) opt to take the safe approach in dealing with these matters.  Whether or not it can be proven that her personal information has been stolen is irrelevant at this point, she still needs to take adequate precautions to protect herself.

These steps cost nothing and can save everything if the worst happens and "doubting" that her personal information has been stolen and not doing anything is not very smart.

Since WE do not know what has actually happened (nor the extent of the damage) to this persons friend the most appropriate reponse to this person is to suggest that they take any and all precautions at their disposal. 

Remember, many people will take your advice verbatim under the assumption that you are admin and should know exactly what you are talking about and that you can somehow, through their minimal description of the issue gleen everything there is to know about their problem.  In this case any assumption would be very dangerous and costly to the victim.

We assume that her yahoo account is her only issue but there may be unknowns here that were not communicated.  All things considered the posters friend should take any and all precautions until she gets a handle on things.  Prepare for the worst, hope for the best...
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2006, 02:07:44 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2006, 04:15:47 AM »

Yes, i agree with all three of you, i mean, how couldn't i, you practically wrote books on it lol  evil6

but yea, umm...use www.meebo.com Smile

yahoo messenger is almost as insecure as Windows ME lol  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2006, 06:28:54 AM »

First off i'm speaking as someone who hangs out at yahoo chat alot, and has quite a few of the exploits used to gain other users passwords. At this time the most used way is by placing a cookie stealer on webpages, and getting another to visit the webpage the cookie stealer is on, but this is not limited to yahoo it can be used to gain passwords from just about any place you log into. There is also another sploit going around that is specific to yahoo, and it's a flaw in the yahoo protocol. It works like this there is a prog they have running on their computer i believe this particular prog is written in VB, with this prog running they join VOICE CHAT, and as soon as they enter VOICE CHAT it is able to snag all the ip's of those in VOICE. Depending on what sploit was used will determine what type of action should be taken, but since they will probably never know what method was used i'd play it safe, and take full precautions.
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2006, 06:30:40 AM »

Also if i was you i'd stop using yahoo messenger, and use a 3rd part client like YahElite. http://www.yahelite.org/
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2006, 07:23:10 AM »

I had a similar situation today with one of our customers.  I will tell you the same thing I told her.

i just love people that use im progs for business. might as well nail their corporate info to the bulletin board in the street. evil6
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2006, 07:44:46 AM »

haha yeah.. so much for security.. the only one that is encrypted that I know of, by default, is g-talk beta by Google. If you try to sniff the packets all you get is a bunch of number.. unlike aim where you can see the conversation..
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2006, 08:35:50 AM »

haha yeah.. so much for security.. the only one that is encrypted that I know of, by default, is g-talk beta by Google. If you try to sniff the packets all you get is a bunch of number.. unlike aim where you can see the conversation..
but g-talk is sniffed by goggle itself, so it's worse.
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2006, 08:43:43 AM »

Download SIMP, and have anyone you want to have a secure IM convo with download  SIMP exchange encryption keys, and not even the networks that carry the convo's will no what you are saying.


http://www.secway.fr/us/products/simplite_msn/home.php
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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2006, 08:52:15 AM »

yahoo messenger sux anyway ;)
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