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You know what really gets me besides this, we as a nation have come from all over the world. We are a mix, yes a legal mix. So when someone comes and bothers us, are they not also bothering their own brothers? Just a good question to ask yourself while you are peacefully sitting at your computer!   

Well a mongrel will bite you. 

The USA did turn up,eventually at the great wars.Unfortunately it also likes starting wars,where none are needed---Iraq(twice)Vietnam,Granada,Nicaragua through the back door etc.
Now I'm not beimg un-American just putting some balance to it all
J3GRIZZ--You can tell me to piss-off,if you like,but that reduces the level of debate to kindergarten.As for your analysis of the 2 World wars I think you got it wrong.The idiocy of Hitler starting an Eastern front ,did for the Nazi's.The Soviet Union,(yes we all know it was a pernicious system),had as much,if not more to do with winning the 2nd World war,then the USA.
As for the 1st World war.it was the most pointless of all wars.It was more about a land grab.The Austro-Hungarian and the Otterman Empires were at the point of collapse and all the European nations just wanted as much land and influence as possible.The USA were not a desiding factor.Try reading Eric Hobsbawm's "Age of Extremes----the short 20th century !914--1991"I think the USA and the UK have many deep links.I have had many great American buddies and girl-friends.I just find it wierd that you have this "tear in the eye"at the "Star spangled banner" type of patriotism.In the UK when the national anthem is played,or the Union flag's lifted up the flag -pole,only about 2-3% of people stand or sing along.However I don't think this shows people don't love their country.You love what your country is doing,what it stands for.how inclusive we are and of course it's history.The flag and national anthems are the throw away wrapping----the people are the prize
One difference between the UK and the USA is this.-In the UK if we vote,say to the left and the right wing candidate wins the election,we still disagree with the incumbrant.We don't change out personal political philosophy's to fit in with our Prime-Ministers.In the States,regardless of how you vote.you get behind your President "come what may". Now I can understand there are positive and negative sides to both outlooks.For me personally,I am of the left and I could not put up with 11 years of that arch crone of the left"Thatcher"and "get behind her". She stood for all I hate about the British right.I do however understand the value of getting behind your leader regardless.It also has great risks---the majority of ordinary Germans got behind Hitler and the Nazis.
J3GRIZZ--Just like I could cease to partake of this forum,there are no rules forcing you to read my postings.I like swoping ideas with people even if sometimes I disagree with them.I like the idea of swopping ideas with you and hope you can see things in the same constructive way.If not I won't loose any sleep/

The political/patriotic posts have been a bit overdone lately. It looks like GW Bush's homepage.

Untill now.. MUUUWAA HAHAHAHAHA... I sucked you back in.

I haven't went back & checked my posts in this topic but I bet none of mine looked like they supported Bush old or new.The only good thing I have to say about old Bush is a least he really served in the military & one more he's no longer President.
Miles_Smiles ;I'm an isolationist so I wouldn't have gotten involved I any war that did not directly attack the USA.So I guess that would have been WW2 when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor & I think the Nazi's had attacked some US private ships that were taking goods to England.I'm not sure about the last one & haven't went back & researched it.
I think after the atomic bombs were dropped on Japan germany surrendered pretty quick after.So a direct result of the USA being in the war.
Didn't the Viet Nam war start between N.Viet Nam & France?
I am not behind Bush.I do support some of his religious values.But for his part I think this is just part of his act to get votes.He's a multi-faced lying snake who ought to be tried for treason & not just impeached.So I don't think that is support.I think he was actually illegally elected by the Supreme Court the first time .With the help of his brother  the Governor of Florida by a fixed election. Since Incumbents do usually win the next election he was elected a second time but not by my vote.Who knows maybe as President he was able to fix the second election better.
I didn't like Clinton either but his main vice was vice being the sleezeball he was & probably still is.
Even the best one I have memory of Kennedy his main good work was the Civil Rights movement he supported & tried to help.LBJ finished this through little effort on his part.& that Kennedy told Russia to get their missiles off Cuba.I guess Kennedy had a great deal to do with the Space Race but this has only helped the USA by the invention that came with developing things for the space vessels.As far as the rest even going to Mars if that ever happens (A manned mision) who's that really going to help?Same with the so called international Space Station built & paid for mostly by the USA.
So Miles_Smiles  don't brand all Americans with the same iron.
This is completly off topic below.
Miles_Smiles  ;Should I picture you as Onslo from "Keeping Up Appearances" or Tom Good from "Good Neighbors" A couple of my favorite Brit shows.The new Dr.Who is pretty good too.The first one I've liked since the Tom Baker with the perm  left the part.

Sorry Cholla But I'm more the aging hippy sort. The new Doctor who is good,are you on to David Tennant yet! I'm still sulking because you guys,(not you personally of course),are not making any more star-treks,or X-files, They were top US tv.