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« on: September 07, 2006, 12:43:52 PM »

I am presently behind a netgear router. Is the hardware firewall good enough or should I enable a software firewall? I know the netgear has NAT  and something called SP(?).
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2006, 12:46:58 PM »

the hardware firewall is good enough, you don't need a software firewall, it just slows down your computer.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2006, 12:53:25 PM »

Well you'll be good from stopping inbound attacks with what you have, but i always suggest using hardware & software firewalls it's nice to see whats trying to also get out that already maybe on your system. I use Kaspersky anti virus, and anti hacker.
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 02:40:06 PM »

A hardware firewall is much better than a software firewall.  Your firewall built in to your router should be plenty enough...if you have your doubts, there are many sites to test whether or not it is doing its job, such as https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?rh1dkyd2 .  Avoid a software firewall though....it slows your connection, uses valuable system resources, and allows threats to reach your computer physically before they are recognized...a hardware firewall does none of that!

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 03:29:07 PM »

I use a combination of both, just in case, Inet is a very nasty world
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2006, 03:52:47 PM »

the problem with software firewall is any spyware/trojans/viruses etc etc once they get on your computer they start looking around and when they see that you have a software firewall they just turn it off or foward the ports that it needs. so a software firewall really offers no protection on a windows system becasue it can get turned off very easily.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2006, 06:11:18 AM »

Actually if you are super paranoid about security a hardware firewall, and software firewall are really junk without some sort of IDS (Intrusion Detection System) like SNORT ect. Last i checked SNORT could be made to work on WINDOWS in fact i think they make a version of it for windows now. You need your system to be able to go into promiscuous mode. promisccuous mode allows a network device to intercept and read each network packet that arrives in its entirety. This can not truly be achieved by any hardware firewall or software firewall currently available for windows systems.
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2006, 07:05:04 AM »

Snort is an option... Smoothwall does have IDS making it a "hardware" firewall.   

I would have to say no that the router firewalls that you buy are not good enough to protect your system.  With a SPI, Stateful Packet Inspection firewall, which is what most of the newer routers are shipping with these days only provides incoming protection.   This is because of the limited processing power in the routers.  When you look at a true hardware appliance most are >300MHz to provide the necessary processing power for both inbound and outgoing traffic.

So as it stands right now only inbound traffic is check with the handshake method that is set up.    This is just about the same as Windows Firewall.  Inbound is only checked..  I dont remember if this was corrected post SP2, it may have been, but that is one of the big features that is being pushed, a full built in firewall.   So I would still recommend a software firewall that protects outbound traffic. 

The reason for the software firewall is to protect outbound traffic and the rest of your network.  If you know what is going out then you are more likely to remove any rogue apps that are requesting network time.   The other easy way to defeat the router firewalls it for spyware to send a bunch of SNY packets to hosts.. Since the traffic was outgoing nothing will be authenticated when the responce is sent.

So... what do the hardware firewalls do?  They check both incoming and out going traffic and require authentication for each.  This on top of Deep Packet Inspection..  Which is looking for mal-formed packets and rejecting them from entering the network.
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2006, 02:03:02 PM »

I also use kaspersky from system mech.6 pro it is a great help to keep everything going good and fix about any problem.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2006, 04:55:56 PM »

just block all the ports u dont need and u will b fine


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