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« on: December 24, 2006, 12:13:03 AM »

Ok. My speed tests are showing steady around 9.66Mbps, and up is @ .9


But, no matter what torrent I connect to, whether it has 10 seeds or 250, I can connect to tons of seeds and peers, but no speed!

I'm not a newb to the torrent world, so after testing many, many different files.... I have decided that Insight must have started throttling bittorrent or something..   anyone have any other clues or rationales?

Thursday Night I downloaded an 8GB file @ 1200kb, and since yesterday morning nothing will move faster than 5Kbps.... never had a problem with it before.

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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2006, 12:25:15 AM »

make sure your ports are forwarded correctly.... that should work right
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2006, 12:26:22 AM »

BTW, Welcome to the fourms... enjoy your stay here at TMN
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2006, 01:48:47 AM »

I have no problems what so ever with bit torrent.  I was able to pull off the latest version of SuSE in under 2 hours on a bit torrent connection.   That is 3.1GB ish?  Like Tim suggested check your port forward and you might want to change your client.  I have found that UTorrent runs pretty well on Insight.  I know that someone keeps a list of ISPs that throttle torrent traffic and so far I have not seen Insight on the list.   If I can find the list I will post it for ya.
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2006, 07:58:10 AM »

if you have UNPN off in your router turn it on for when you are doing bit torrent.
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2006, 11:24:55 AM »

Well, I suppose I failed to mention that part of it.

I'm not behind a router, plugged straight to modem, and haven't had problems w/ BT until last week, there were burps right after the upgrade, but the speed tests reflected those as well.... generally when my speed tests are fine, BT runs great too.


- sorry for leaving that out!
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2006, 03:58:37 PM »

insightbb has started traffic shapping(throtting) not more than 2 weeks ago.  So that blows, but if you use RC4 encryption (included in azureus, but you have to turn it on) then you can get some speed, but not full speed back. Crying or Very sad
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2006, 04:05:43 PM »

how do you know this, i dont belive it
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2006, 04:07:22 PM »

also read this guide from Shug http://www.testmy.net/forum/t-890

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Now then the whole nasty situation of "ports" comes into this equation. In the old days only those with a router needed to change their port settings in order to download fast (remember a router will act as a firewall and not allow others to share files from your computer so nobody will share with you.) but today isp's are blocking or limiting the ports that BT uses which is 6881-6889 by default. They are doing this so that you will not be able to share quickly with others and use the isp's bandwidth.

So lets fix this problem, when you start Azureus the wizard will guide you through picking a port. Don't pick a port between 6881-6889, this can cause slow speeds. Once you have picked your port you will be able to test it to see if this port is open and working. If your test comes out good your ready to go. If not the next section will tackle port forwarding and firewalls.

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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2006, 04:10:39 PM »

heh!! lol


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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2006, 04:12:20 PM »

I have not been told my anyone at insight, but I have enough evidence to conclude this.

1. I have never had any problems with my router/modem, or any of my connections, until suddenly one day mu connection went S#!tty.

2. I changed nothing, but my torrent speeds went bad

3.  I have searched the internet, and many other people have said they same thing.

4.  My internet speed is still great

5.  When I use encryption (RC4 with azureus) then I get some torrent speed back, but still not full

So thats enough evidence for me, it really couldn't be anything else.  especially since more people in central illinois (my location) are experiencing the same problem.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2006, 04:13:20 PM »

i have switched ports, I am no newb at torrents.  this is most obviously traffic shapping.

but if there are other people here on insightbb, I welcome there idea, because I, of course, do not know everything, so it would be awesome if it wasn't traffic shapping and we could fix our speed problems  Wink
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2006, 05:56:36 PM »

i have no problem at all doing torrents..and i'm on insightbb
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2006, 06:40:32 PM »

I could be mistaken then.  I would appreciate any help I could get.  I am using azureus, I have upnp enabled, and I have tried changing my port #'s randomly.  I had been using torrents succesfully for years on this same hardware setup with no problems and easily getting 250 kbs down, and 120kbs up.  I have tried taking my router out of the loop, and connecting my computer directly to the modem.  I have tried changing my ip address, I have tried no upnp, I have different clients besided azureus.  Currently I am getting all green lights, but without encryption enabled, I get 5kbs max, but with encryption I can get up to 80kbs down and 100kbs up.

Let me know if I should try other things.  Thanks for your help.  I may also try and give insightbb and call monday, and see if they say anything.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2006, 06:42:50 PM »

no problem, insightbb has been okay to us besides the fact that they went to level3 backbone =(
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2006, 06:57:16 PM »

ok i take it back, i am now getting tops 10 kB/s
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2006, 07:00:11 PM »

yeah, it sucks.  let me know if you can figure anything out, cause traffic shaping was all I could get, but hopefully you can find out something more, and maybe get a solution.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2006, 07:04:49 PM »

8:02:38 PM  You Does InsightBB throttle torrents?   
8:03:07 PM  Adam C Not that I am currently aware of   
8:03:31 PM  You ok because i used to be able to download at very high speeds, now its at a max of 30 kB/s   
8:03:53 PM  You 25*   
8:04:18 PM  Adam C That could be the torrents - when high bandwidth seeders drop offline it redistributes the torrent load to those connected at the time.   
8:04:28 PM  You ok   
8:04:29 PM  You thanks   
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2006, 07:26:38 PM »

yeah, the problem isn't the torrent, I have tried many different torrents, and I get the same results all the time.  The the speed is constantly slow, and not just slow when seeders disconnect.  That guy is full of it.
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2006, 07:38:15 PM »

lol iono wat to think
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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2006, 07:48:46 PM »

On BBR people are complaining of the samething you are.
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2006, 08:45:55 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2007, 06:47:20 AM »

Just joined this forum to chime in.  I was having the same problems with Insightbb and torrents.  I've spoken with them and they are having some routing issues that are affecting torrents and other things.  Both the tech people and the service people told me there has been no change in Insight policy. 

We'll see if things clear up anytime soon.

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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2007, 07:30:19 AM »

That is very encouraging news, I would love to see the torrents running again.  Now you got me all excited GEEK!
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2007, 11:22:21 PM »

An update.  Insight said that they have resolved their routing problems.  Right now I'm connected to one torrent that's running fine and one that's not (on different trackers), so I tend to believe Insight when they say that they're not throttling torrents.  What's interesting is that the tracker where the torrent is working is using vBulletin software, and while the status light on the client shows problems, the tracker itself shows everything is fine.

On the other hand, two of the trackers I'm having trouble with are running a version of EzTorrent and show a problem with my client.  That's probably a coincidence that they're using different software .  It's also a positive that on one of the trackers using EzTorrent I am now able to run torrents, even though they're very slow.  Earlier, I was not able to even stay connected.

Anyways, since it was a routing problem, I'm going to wait to see what happens after all the DNS stuff gets updated overnight.  We'll see how things stand then.

So far, so good.  Keeping my fingers crossed.


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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2007, 02:14:16 AM »

Insight is full of B.S. I'm experiencing the same problem and they have to be doing something. I've seen that they've started using software/hardware that recognizes p2p traffic and basically throttles those trasmissions down to almost nill. Another thing I noticed was that when you do the NAT test in azureus you'll always get a nat error. But the really interesting thing is if you test another port it well test OK! That is until you acually accept and start using that port, then after about 10-15 seconds you'll get a nat error on that port. I've done this a dozen times in a row with the exact same results every time.

And please don't respond to  this with the check your ports stuff. I've been using torrents for years and have been using Azureus for more than 2 years. This is not some type of bug or glitch or whatever other excuse some of you want to come up with. The fact that they started by blocking common ports used by a lot of p2p software shows you the mindset of these people toward us. Well I'm of the mindset " I want what I paid you for! " This is a deliberate act by Insight and they're about to have one less customer!  tickedoff

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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2007, 02:24:50 AM »

First welcome to the forum. I don't know much about torrents, but this tracert is bad from Kentucky.

Tracing route to azureus.com [212.69.172.128]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     7 ms     7 ms    12 ms  74-129-0-1.dhcp.insightbb.com [74.129.0.1]
  2     9 ms     9 ms     8 ms  74-128-19-241.dhcp.insightbb.com [74.128.19.241]
  3    33 ms    12 ms    13 ms  74-128-16-114.dhcp.insightbb.com [74.128.16.114]
  4    18 ms    18 ms    17 ms  74-128-16-81.dhcp.insightbb.com [74.128.16.81]
  5    15 ms    13 ms    14 ms  74.128.8.97
  6    28 ms    30 ms    43 ms  so-7-1-0.gar2.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.78.214.17]
  7    26 ms    31 ms     *     ae-1-51.bbr1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.68.103.1]
  8    37 ms    38 ms    38 ms  ae-2-0.bbr1.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.128.201]
  9    41 ms    41 ms    40 ms  so-6-0-0.edge2.Washington1.Level3.net [64.159.3.62]
 10    62 ms    40 ms    45 ms  abovenet-level3-oc48.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.127.50]
 11    48 ms    40 ms    41 ms  so-4-0-0.mpr2.iad2.us.above.net [64.125.30.122]
 12    42 ms    42 ms    43 ms  so-4-0-0.mpr1.iad1.us.above.net [64.125.28.213]
 13    42 ms    50 ms    48 ms  so-0-0-0.mpr2.iad1.us.above.net [64.125.29.110]
 14   119 ms   114 ms   112 ms  so-1-0-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.28.129]
 15   122 ms   116 ms   115 ms  so-0-1-0.mpr1.lhr3.uk.above.net [64.125.27.166]
 16   123 ms   124 ms   125 ms  so-1-0-0.mpr3.ams1.nl.above.net [64.125.27.221]
 17   134 ms   134 ms   143 ms  pos-9-1.mpr2.fra1.de.above.net [64.125.23.253]
 18   136 ms   129 ms   132 ms  te2-1.mpr1.fra1.de.above.net [64.125.23.193]
 19   145 ms   150 ms   147 ms  po-20.mpr1.vie4.at.above.net [64.125.23.146]
 20   155 ms   143 ms   146 ms  web0002-p114-sw2.vie2-p3.11.abovenet.at[212.69.176.117]
 21   146 ms   170 ms   154 ms  212.69.172.128

Trace complete.

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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2007, 02:51:01 AM »

I've been getting good to excellent speeds up till sometime during the past 24-48 hours. I have no noticeable difference when doing anything else. I started up azureus on another mathine which had been seeding last time I used it . It connected to 2 peers immeadiatly and within 10 sec. or so I was at me 75kB/s upload limit. About 5 seconds later my speedstarted dropping till i hit 0. Over the past couple of weeks, torrents that were well seeded would move along from 350-1200 kB/s. My fastest torrent d/l now hits 20KB max but averages about half that. But the fact that there are no nat errors or even speed problems until a torrent is acually up and running for about 15-20 seconds leads me to believe the rumors.


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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2007, 07:04:12 AM »

Well, I won't say things are completely back to normal, but I'm able to run torrents without any real speed or connectivity issues.  There are some fluctuations and bursts (not in speed, but in number of peers connected), but there's no more disconnecting. I just joined a well-seeded torrent and downloaded about 200 MB in 6 min, which caught me right up to everyone else.  I watched the speed, and it hit 1000kB/s and never went below 900 during that time span.  Previously, the torrents were slowing down much quicker than that.

Two different trackers are still reporting an error from my client, but it's not affecting the up or down speeds.  It's still less than 24 hours since the routing was fixed (sometime between 7 a.m. and 4 p.m. EST which were two of my calls to Insight yesterday), so we'll see if the last few things get better as the day goes on.


- Marshal