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« Reply #105 on: February 10, 2007, 11:27:06 PM »

start>accessories> command prompt

then type in ping testmy.net  then hit enter.....type exit then enter

use ping -t for continuous ping use control c to quit
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« Reply #106 on: February 10, 2007, 11:33:14 PM »

Hey unity. If I were you I would hop on over to http://booster-antenna.com/ and look at their antennas. I have heard that the antenna will increase your signal and in turn increase the speed as well. I have seen people on the EVDO plans get faster speeds than what you are getting and it could be that your signal could be just a little bit stronger. But again the antennas aren't too expensive and if it doesn't help you could always send it back.
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« Reply #107 on: February 10, 2007, 11:34:15 PM »

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C:\>ping testmy.net

Pinging testmy.net [67.18.179.85] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=122ms TTL=46
Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=135ms TTL=46
Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=129ms TTL=46
Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=156ms TTL=46

Ping statistics for 67.18.179.85:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 122ms, Maximum = 156ms, Average = 135ms

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« Reply #108 on: February 10, 2007, 11:39:17 PM »

ok....and could you clarify the price?

$60 for each of the 3 cards plus tax and fees?
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« Reply #109 on: February 10, 2007, 11:50:18 PM »

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
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C:\>ping testmy.net

Pinging testmy.net [67.18.179.85] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=122ms TTL=46
Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=135ms TTL=46
Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=129ms TTL=46
Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=156ms TTL=46

Ping statistics for 67.18.179.85:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 122ms, Maximum = 156ms, Average = 135ms



Lets see your sat connection do that. It does not matter how fast it is as long as the latency is lower. Whenever you are browsing you pretty muchly never use all of that bandwidth anyway. Just a fraction of it. Plus EVDO is capable of maintaining a good 1mb+, which is more than enough for browsing. Then there is that crazy thing were you can do something else besides browse the web with your internet connection....

Edit: Also it is noteworthy that the cards can be taken wherever they want to. They are not tied to using them just at their house unlike a sat connection. The fact of the matter is EVDO is and always will beat satellite in pretty muchly every way including downloading large files, because you will get fapped and that EVDO connection will just keep on going.
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« Reply #110 on: February 10, 2007, 11:50:36 PM »

ok....and could you clarify the price?

$60 for each of the 3 cards plus tax and fees?

$49.99 per card plus tax... a bit over $150 all together... bill will come later for service. Mail in rebates for $49.99 off of each card, so cards will be free
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« Reply #111 on: February 11, 2007, 12:28:51 AM »

form another poster his pings were posted between 225-1400ms......so if the pings are at best 135ms and will climb higher?


Downloading a large file or uploading a large file higher pings will not be noticeable on sat....gaming and web browsing are the main things the ping does hinder...from what I read the EVDO user can see much higher pings as another user had posted awhile back. The speed is also slower as already mentioned with a weaker signal.....so its not the same as DSL or cable.

As far as the mobile part there is always hotspots....?

So depending on what the ping goes to during busy hours.. hope to see.
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« Reply #112 on: February 11, 2007, 12:38:01 AM »

form another poster his pings were posted between 225-1400ms......so if the pings are at best 135ms and will climb higher?


Downloading a large file or uploading a large file higher pings will not be noticeable on sat....gaming and web browsing are the main things the ping does hinder...from what I read the EVDO user can see much higher pings as another user had posted awhile back. The speed is also slower as already mentioned with a weaker signal.....so its not the same as DSL or cable.

As far as the mobile part there is always hotspots....?

So depending on what the ping goes to during busy hours.. hope to see.


Right, but you can't game on satellite...and I don't believe anyone said it was the same as DSL or Cable... I recall saying that IF I could get either one, I would have it... as far as mobile and hotspots, I don't want to have to go to a hotspot to get high speed... I want to get it at home and at work...

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« Reply #113 on: February 11, 2007, 12:51:27 AM »

Again she gets to have it on 3 computers, and she can take one with her, and her husband can take one with him. (out of the house, hughes can not do that)

And the business plan also runs $179 a month for one connection. plus $599.98 after rebate. And all this with another wonderful ball and chain 15 month contract.  Rolling Eyes

So once again she has done what she wants and is happy.  Cool-2
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« Reply #114 on: February 11, 2007, 04:13:33 AM »

ok....and could you clarify the price?

$60 for each of the 3 cards plus tax and fees?
I really believe unitychild knows the price and you have stated it's the price your not willing to pay, why continue on this trying to convince unitychild? She has an advantage over you, she has tried both systems and likes what she has. The other user you are taking about is jeffwalker9999 and he said "Adverage Speeed(s) ** from hands on useage **
Download at 650 to 880 K Baud
Upload at 175 to 290 K Baud

Has a bad habbit of ping loss at 2nd hop
and ping times of 220 ms to 1470 ms

In general no major issues".

Another voice from experience in actual use of the card. In my research it's said by using an exterior antenna you can increase your speed and works by getting the strongest signal possible. Be nice if Hughes worked that way  icon_scratch but getting the strongest on sat means more stability.

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« Reply #115 on: February 11, 2007, 04:54:06 AM »

Two things

....your paying $60 each x 3 right?

....lets see a ping -t to testmy.net


Hughes business plan FAP is at over 1200MB


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TMN's listing in the Connection Chart.

$50 - $60 at three cards and then use the lowest figure in the chart 400Kbps X 3 = 1200Kbps, no router. use the highest (up to) 700Kbps X 3 = 2100Kbps.  undecided
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« Reply #116 on: February 11, 2007, 06:25:25 AM »


4:20 Am PST
-88 dB Signal and EVDO REV A

PING >>>>>>>> PING >>>>>>>
C:\Documents and Settings\Jeff Walker>ping testmy.net
Pinging testmy.net [67.18.179.85] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=42ms TTL=54
Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=54
Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=54
Reply from 67.18.179.85: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=54

Ping statistics for 67.18.179.85:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 39ms, Maximum = 42ms, Average = 39ms


Tracert >>>>>>>>> Tracert >>>>>>>>
C:\Documents and Settings\Jeff Walker>tracert www.testmy.net
Tracing route to www.testmy.net [67.18.179.85] over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1   480 ms   280 ms   710 ms  68.28.49.69
  2     *        *        *     Request timed out. >>>>>>> does this all the time >>>
  3   299 ms   399 ms   359 ms  68.28.51.54
  4   298 ms   319 ms   338 ms  68.28.51.6
  5   317 ms   360 ms   358 ms  68.28.51.17
  6   312 ms   360 ms   321 ms  sl-gw26-stk-2-0.sprintlink.net [144.223.50.89]
  7   381 ms   317 ms   319 ms  sl-bb20-stk-8-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.4.114]
  8   338 ms   380 ms   339 ms  sl-bb20-sj-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.99]
  9   316 ms   319 ms   320 ms  0.so-5-3-0.BR1.SCL2.ALTER.NET [204.255.169.145]
 10   379 ms   320 ms   317 ms  0.so-2-0-0.XL1.SCL2.ALTER.NET [152.63.57.50]
 11   352 ms   499 ms   361 ms  0.so-7-0-0.XL3.DFW13.ALTER.NET [152.63.98.77]
 12   398 ms   379 ms   560 ms  POS6-0.GW1.DFW13.ALTER.NET [152.63.103.85]
 13   379 ms   361 ms   358 ms  theplanet-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.143.226]
 14   356 ms   359 ms   359 ms  vl32.dsr02.dllstx3.theplanet.com [70.85.127.62]
 15   356 ms   359 ms   358 ms  vl42.dsr02.dllstx4.theplanet.com [70.85.127.91]
 16   356 ms   378 ms   359 ms  gi1-0-2.car17.dllstx4.theplanet.com [67.18.116.85]
 17   378 ms   417 ms   421 ms  55.b3.1243.static.theplanet.com [67.18.179.85]
Trace complete.

>>>>> IPV6 Protocol >>>>>>>> IPV6 >>>>>> IPV6 >>>>
( It always pings at quite higher times )

C:\Documents and Settings\Jeff Walker>tracert -6 www.sixxs.org
Tracing route to noc.sixxs.net [2001:838:1:1:210:dcff:fe20:7c7c]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2   866 ms   935 ms  1377 ms  sl-bb1v6-rly-t-1002.sprintv6.net [2001:440:1239:1003::2]
  3  3126 ms  3315 ms  3257 ms  sl-bb1v6-bru-t-1000.sprintv6.net [2001:440:1239:1002::2]
  4  3238 ms  2039 ms   687 ms  2001:440:eeee:ffe4::2
  5  1904 ms   959 ms  1539 ms  so-1-1-2.dus11.ip6.tiscali.net [2001:668:0:2::100]
  6  2117 ms  2540 ms  2739 ms  so-0-0-0.ams22.ip6.tiscali.net [2001:668:0:2::1:122]
  7  2399 ms  1837 ms  2163 ms  pos-7-5-0.ams11.ip6.tiscali.net [2001:668:0:2::630]
  8  1647 ms  3250 ms   840 ms  ge6-2-0.br0.ams3.nl.GBxs.net [2001:7f8:1::a500:9009:1]
  9  1457 ms   707 ms   941 ms  ams-ix.ipv6.concepts.nl [2001:7f8:1::a501:2871:1]
 10   818 ms   787 ms   700 ms  se1.breda.ipv6.concepts-ict.net [2001:838:0:10::2]
 11   658 ms   621 ms   637 ms  noc.sixxs.net [2001:838:1:1:210:dcff:fe20:7c7c]

Trace complete.

To ReClassify ------------
"Adverage Speeed(s) ** from hands on useage **
Download at 650 to 880 K Baud
Upload at 175 to 290 K Baud

**** Yes signal does make a difference in the speed you connect at ***
and the protocol you use to connect ----

It likes to switch to 1xRTT if signal is low

Again ------
I have been on Sprint's EVDO ----June 2006 to Current

1 (one) novatel s620 pcmcia card and $62.57 monthly fee

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« Reply #117 on: February 11, 2007, 06:43:32 AM »

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« Reply #118 on: February 11, 2007, 08:30:02 AM »

Glad you like it, at least unless something changes you wont need to watch usage.....but I don't see where it is any faster.

Theres my first post to her about EVDO......guess since I'm looking at the big picture and not posting any different because unity is a female? Had it been me that posted the exact same lingo about getting the Sprint deal, the post would have been attacked and flamed at just as most are. The pings look better than sat at the moment, but would honestly think they will increase during peak usage time.My point about the cost is the way the deal reads if she didn't buy the special router.....then she is paying 59/month for each line, this is what I wanted to clarify.....and if so then around 150-180 month would not be compred to Hughes home account lets compare it to a business plan or small office at least!

Gorman....its seems odd to me you cant justify $10/month considered an upgrade from the old 6000 to a newer 7000 or 7000s for better pings/ more consistent performance/double or better uploads speeds....but yet now EDVO is far superior regardless. When WB first come out a 2yr contract was " bad", "not good"...Hughes 15 months "terrible" ......now all of a sudden 2yr contract is not even a concern.  :haha:

Siryak...was it not you who posted about how when you first got WB how good it was (pings 550-675ms) and you gamed on it etc....now its no good junk (pings 1400-2200ms). Surprised your still using WB and not just plugged in the phone line? Interesting how it could possibly be different now from then  icon_scratch
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« Reply #119 on: February 11, 2007, 09:27:50 AM »

The pings look better than sat at the moment, but would honestly think they will increase during peak usage time.My point about the cost is the way the deal reads if she didn't buy the special router.....then she is paying 59/month for each line, this is what I wanted to clarify.....and if so then around 150-180 month would not be compred to Hughes home account lets compare it to a business plan or small office at least!

That flaming part I try to stay away from.
 
I really don't see how you can compare the EVDO and Hughes that way. Ping times shouldn't slow unless something happens along the path which can with any ISP. Also the fact is that EVDO only works over a very short distance, from you to the tower but Sat is miles up and back. And yes sat downloading looks to be faster after it gets rolling but has anyone tried to improve EVDO (fine tune) as we have sat? One Hughes connection would have to be split in unity's case but she has 3 connections and each is portable and no FAP that works in her situation.
I'm curious as to see how fast I could get it to go through some enhancements  Idea such as antennas to max the signal to top. And I do believe the speed fluctuation with EVDO is because of signal fluctuation them same you get with cell phones, kind of like turn your head and it's gone when your on the fringe. I think it is very similar to wireless networking where the throughput tends to drop over distance but will increase with antenna gain. So to me it looks like EVDO, a new frontier to explore and I down anything until I have tried it or know first hand.  angel
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