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« on: January 19, 2005, 01:10:44 PM »

I signed up for the new 481 modem and the 750 / 100 telecommuter service in May of last year.
The installer mounted the dish with a tree partially blocking the LOS to the sat I was assigned to so my first 3 months of service was much time of no lights on the modem. It was so bad that a bee flying in front of the dish would cause a loss of signal.
After I posted pics of the installation that an employee of starband saw, the installer came back and moved the dish to an unobstructed location and for the next two months I had decent service.
After IntelSat lost T 7 for a few days  in November service quality started going downhill.
On Dec 31, 2004 starband did not renew their lease on one of their transponders on AMC 4 and most of the users from that one were crammed onto the one I and most other high dollar 48x modem accounts are on.
Needless to say performance went to crap.
Since the first week of Dec. they have been throttling port 119 to 2.8k for all users unlucky enough to be on the overloaded transponder on AMC 4 and average throughput has been at or near 200 Kbps down. Upstream througput has still been close to the advertized 100 Kbps though.
Last week they sent me an e-mail letting me know how I am a high priority customer and as such they are willing to move me to T 7 where I will get better performance, however, they want me to help pay for the repoint.
I wish there were some way for me to recoup the $900.00 upfront cash I shelled out for the equipment that is now basicly just an ornament with pretty green lights on my desk.

Stay far away from starband.
It is like the broken vending machine where;  no matter how many quarters you put in;  you never get the candy bar from.

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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2005, 05:41:37 PM »

 Smile  vern
First welcome to the site, I'm sorry to hear about your experience with starband. From your description it has not been a pleasant ride...  Sad We certainly are thankful that you gave us a heads up on their what appears to SOP, not only that it ain't cheap. If anything changes please let us know, word of mouth is the only thing in this case that allows someone to see the real deal..... Thanks again.. Smile
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2005, 06:24:11 PM »

I dont know if its just ME or what...but everytime i read about a sat user.......they are upset and dissapointed.....

why cant they fix this? they have DOPPLER up in the sky, taking massive photos of the earth, they can read weather (sometimes hehe) and do all this other AMAZING stuff.......but cant get good internet service up there....

i really just dont understand.....if someone can explain it would be great


and sorry vern about your problems with starband :/
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2005, 06:39:17 PM »

I dont know if its just ME or what...but everytime i read about a sat user.......they are upset and dissapointed.....

why cant they fix this? they have DOPPLER up in the sky, taking massive photos of the earth, they can read weather (sometimes hehe) and do all this other AMAZING stuff.......but cant get good internet service up there....

i really just dont understand.....if someone can explain it would be great


and sorry vern about your problems with starband :/  

 Sad The technology doesn't allow the signal to go up to the Sat and back fast enough so it limits the speed ...after all it is something like a 44,000 mile round trip for data , ever noticed on T.V. when they talk its weird because the lips move but the words are not in sync with the movement..... but I do believe it is a problem that will be overcome , nobody can say when thats all. In the meantime users are stuck with these speeds, but it is better than dial-up.....most of the time when its working right. I also believe its a very complex group of systems that have to interface just right ....
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2005, 06:52:02 PM »

vern,sorry to hear of your poor experience with starband. i posted earlier this week of my experience with starband and their customer no-service department. i signed with starband in october '04 and got a lightning strike that fried my modem and transmitter, their response to my situation showed me just how valuable i, as a new customer, was to them. they offered to SELL me a rebuilt modem 484 ($350.00) and a rebuilt trans ($200.00) and return damaged equipment. i politely asked for a little assistance with the cost, since i've only used their service for less than 3 months. thier response was basically "tough S#!t, write us a check". i now have the almost same fancy little ornaments sitting on my desk, only my lights don't work. i now subscribe to Cox cable and their service and speed is uncomparable. they actually act as though i am important to their company.

again sorry to hear of you misfortune with starband, spread the word, i am!!!

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2005, 10:32:57 AM »

terrible...just terrible
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2005, 05:22:23 PM »

Update:

I have located an installer who only lives a couple of miles from me and I may be able to get the dish re-pointed to T 7 at NO cost to me.
I've been told that the nntp server for those on T 7 isn't throttled and the transponders on it aren't severely overloaded so I am hopeful that i can get my performance back to what it was for roughly 2 months of this adventure in space communication with speeds of close to 1 meg down and 115k up.
If it doesn't improve with the re-point I will consider it a lost cause and SB in breech of contract and change over to DirecWay.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2005, 09:40:33 AM »

I have been a Starband customer for over 5 years and have been generally satisfied.  On Sat last, the system went down overnight. Since that time I have called for service 11 times and have never received anything other than a)15 minutes wait time, b) 90 minute wait time, or c) Sorry office closed.  i have sent 5 emails and other than the automated reply saying they will respond, no reply.
Toady after five days , I called the number for applying for new service figuring at least they would try to sell a new customer and got first-no response and then music.
I have held for as long as two hours and received no human response.
There is no customer service email available.  Any one having simialr problems?  this is not a "redirection to new satellite " problem as occurred earlier in the year last December.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2005, 02:45:21 PM »

The installer came yesterday and re-pointed me to T 7.
No cost to me.

Results:

::::::::::.. Download Stats ..::::::::::
Connection is:: 2184 Kbps about 2.2 Mbps (tested with 579 KB)
Download Speed is:: 267 kB/s
Tested From:: http://www.testmy.net/
Test Time:: Sat Feb 5 15:29:36 EST 2005
Bottom Line:: 39X faster than 56K 1MB download in 3.84 sec
Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/id-DEWJ2AH3O

I'm happy again Smile

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2005, 04:02:13 PM »

holy hell!!! That's a lot faster! Good job dealing with tech support!  Very Happy Hope you continue to get that good speeds.

Post some more scores!

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ps-why the hell do people go for satelite internet when you can (sometimes) get faster for about 1/8 of the cost?  Shocked
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2005, 04:31:56 PM »

holy hell!!! That's a lot faster! Good job dealing with tech support!  Very Happy Hope you continue to get that good speeds.

Post some more scores!

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ps-why the hell do people go for satelite internet when you can (sometimes) get faster for about 1/8 of the cost?  Shocked

Where I live satellite is the only broadband option.
No cable and I can't even get my telco to install an ISDN line for me.
They were willing to install a fractional T 1 @ 256 up and 256 down for two thousand dollars plus a monthly fee of $450.00.

It's either high dollar satellite service or dial up @ 26.4 because the telco is still using asncient analog switches here.

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2005, 04:52:08 PM »

$2,000??!!! dang. well, I understand then.  Shocked ;)
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2005, 04:42:32 AM »


ps-why the hell do people go for satelite internet when you can (sometimes) get faster for about 1/8 of the cost?  Shocked
  You must not live in the boonies, most people know that satellite internet is a last resort to dialup.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2005, 04:56:11 AM »

what, the boon docks? S#!t, back in the..like 20's...my house was considered to be in the boon docks!  :haha: ;)
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2005, 10:51:03 AM »

::::::::::.. Download Stats ..::::::::::
Connection is:: 1244 Kbps about 1.2 Mbps (tested with 579 KB)
Download Speed is:: 152 kB/s
Tested From:: http://www.testmy.net/
Test Time:: Sun Feb 13 11:43:31 EST 2005
Bottom Line:: 22X faster than 56K 1MB download in 6.74 sec
Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/id-JSU5X1WPZ

Things are still OK after the switch to T 7.

I suppose having to use high priced high latency satellites for internet service is just the price I pay for peace and quiet.

That,  and living just 1 / 2 mile from scenery like this:

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2005, 10:15:44 AM »

Hello All,

I have been a starband user for about 1 year.  Overall, I guess the service has been acceptable at best.  I live in rural areas of Central Kentucky and have no hope of DSL. cable or any telcom based internet access.  Ironically enough i moved here from LA and there is a wireless DSL service over 2.4GHz that I cant get either  because I am in a valley.

Anyways, to make a long story short, because my home is surrounded by thick trees, I can only be pointed at KA7. I went through tons of hurdles with Starband and the installer to get pointed to this receiver.  Now, they have alreayd scheduled that same installer to come out and repoint and he again told me it would not be possible. My signal is weak enough as it is.  He was supposed to relay that info to starband but they keep calling me and sending me emails that as of Feb 28, if i am not repointed i will experience "severe degredation in performance" which is pretty much a day to day occurance anyway for me.  I am wondering what Starband will do next week when this deadline passes.

I ran the test here and got decent  speed, but its touch and go always with Starband, so I dont consider what Im getting in terms of d/l speed to be what I was promised when I signed up.

Does anyone here think that this repoint issue constitues Breach of Contract if they cut me off without a repoint?

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2005, 11:57:14 AM »

You are on AMC 4.

I am thinking that SB is going to be losing the last transponder on that bird on March 31.

As for testing SB speeds here or on any other major speed testing site:

I noticed that starting the first week of last December SB had started redirecting speed test site requests through a gi-mongus proxy server located in Ca.

The IPs do not match.

In other words, the IP that this server sees is not the SB IP for my box nor is it the IP for SBs web accelator proxy server.

You may be able to get a clear line of sight to T 7 if the dish is moved to the top of your roof.

You can tell whether or not you can see T 7 by using a cheap compass.
From Lexington T 7 is at  241 degrees on a compass pointing at magnetic north.
The elevation is 26.3 degrees.
For every foot of length the rise is about 6 inches.
So a tree 100 feet away from your dish could be 50 feet or less in height without blocking the line of sight.

From what I've been told those who are on AMC 4 after the last day of this month will really be unhappy with their service.

T 7 is performing at an acceptable level right now but I expect that to degrade more and more as more people are moved from AMC 4 to it.
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2005, 04:58:38 PM »

You are on AMC 4.

I am thinking that SB is going to be losing the last transponder on that bird on March 31.

As for testing SB speeds here or on any other major speed testing site:

I noticed that starting the first week of last December SB had started redirecting speed test site requests through a gi-mongus proxy server located in Ca.

The IPs do not match.

In other words, the IP that this server sees is not the SB IP for my box nor is it the IP for SBs web accelator proxy server.

You may be able to get a clear line of sight to T 7 if the dish is moved to the top of your roof.

You can tell whether or not you can see T 7 by using a cheap compass.
From Lexington T 7 is at  241 degrees on a compass pointing at magnetic north.
The elevation is 26.3 degrees.
For every foot of length the rise is about 6 inches.
So a tree 100 feet away from your dish could be 50 feet or less in height without blocking the line of sight.

From what I've been told those who are on AMC 4 after the last day of this month will really be unhappy with their service.

T 7 is performing at an acceptable level right now but I expect that to degrade more and more as more people are moved from AMC 4 to it.



Ahh But, do I have to PAY to have it mounted on the roof, starband sez yes, I say thats BS, it was working fine where it was . Also, does the speed decrease if I stay on AMC4 mean breach of contract?
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2005, 05:37:45 PM »

If you decided to stop paying the bill, I highly doubt SB would be able to enforce the contract.
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2005, 07:00:39 PM »



 Also, does the speed decrease if I stay on AMC4 mean breach of contract?

No starband quotes their speeds Up to 500 Kbps for downloads and Up to 50 Kbps for uploads so no breach of contract.
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2005, 06:20:32 AM »

It doesn't sound any better over here than DirecWay to me, unless one would prefer the green lights over the blue?
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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2005, 11:15:55 AM »

Hello All,

I have been a starband user for about 1 year.  Overall, I guess the service has been acceptable at best.  I live in rural areas of Central Kentucky and have no hope of DSL. cable or any telcom based internet access.  Ironically enough i moved here from LA and there is a wireless DSL service over 2.4GHz that I cant get either  because I am in a valley.

Anyways, to make a long story short, because my home is surrounded by thick trees, I can only be pointed at KA7. I went through tons of hurdles with Starband and the installer to get pointed to this receiver.  Now, they have alreayd scheduled that same installer to come out and repoint and he again told me it would not be possible. My signal is weak enough as it is.  He was supposed to relay that info to starband but they keep calling me and sending me emails that as of Feb 28, if i am not repointed i will experience "severe degredation in performance" which is pretty much a day to day occurance anyway for me.  I am wondering what Starband will do next week when this deadline passes.

I ran the test here and got decent  speed, but its touch and go always with Starband, so I dont consider what Im getting in terms of d/l speed to be what I was promised when I signed up.

Does anyone here think that this repoint issue constitues Breach of Contract if they cut me off without a repoint?


The deadline has been extended to march 31th if you do not have line of sight to T7 then they will allow to to stay on amc4.

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2005, 07:44:43 PM »

Here's some info that may be of interest from another user:

"I have no problem streaming but starband is updating T-7 sat and are overcrowd on GE-4,so some may be having some trouble.

They are trying to move people from GE-4 to T-7 which is going to help.

Also they should have a new sat just east of GE-4 by april."

Starband, from what I've read on other sites, is one of the best out there and better than DirecWay due to their FAP policy. The most you can get with their SOHO package is 500MB, though up to 800MB can be had going through a VAR. Most people as a rule are more happy with Starrband than DirecWay/

One thing to keep in mind is something that's been discussed in lenght on another site, proper installation and GROUNDING.

While other services are coming this year, Wild Blue and Sky America, they are unproven since no one actually is using them yet. Plus, if you read their FAQs, not much different overall. Note how  Sky Amerrica quotes their download/upload speeds, but read carefully and you will find that's the MODEM specs, NOT the actual user specs for what you will get. While they don't actually lie about their service, you do have to read it several times for the fine print and understand how to read exactly word-for-word their statements.

Hopefully the new satellite and T-7 changes will help some because I don't think you will get  a whole lot better. Satellite ISP is after all the nature of the beast and some things just can't be done due to their orbit and distance of travel.
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2005, 08:06:45 PM »

DirecWay will also be putting up a new one too.....Spaceway. I guess just set back and listen for now, and keep the DirecWay.
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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2005, 09:37:27 PM »

DirecWay will also be putting up a new one too.....Spaceway. I guess just set back and listen for now, and keep the DirecWay.
FYI spaceway is no longer going to be used for internet instead they are using it for HDTV.
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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2005, 11:31:44 PM »

Starband will not be losing the transponder on amc4.

Doesn't the lease on that transponder expire on March 31?

Things on T 7 are getting slower.

I just downloaded Adobe Acrobat reader 7.0 and the throughput was in the 200 to 250 Kbps range.
Not very good for after midnight downloading.
Port 119 is now throttled on T 7 too.

Are things getting shilly in here?
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« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2005, 01:49:20 PM »

Our showroom account is running around 200 Kbps and the access to a NNTP site is spanked back to about 25 Kbps.  Really crappy considering it was running in the 500's with no problem with newsgroups a few weeks ago after the repoint.  They said they were to "balance the load" with additional transponder space that was yet to be turned on (that was last Thursday) and said NNTP service might suffer even more since "most people want web browsing" and they could send the extra  bandwidth saved to those purposes...  I'm getting ready to call our dealer direct department about this "load balancing" timeline and to complain about NNTP access...
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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2005, 02:07:27 PM »

Interesting to read some of the comments here for and against SB.  I have dWay at work and now SB at home, so I get to see both.  Work has a DW6000 networked among about 20 PCs.  It does bog down sometimes, and needs to be rebooted, but overall it works quite well.

I've only been on SB for just less than a month, but so far I'm satisfied.  I have lost signal during heavy rain, but I can stay on in moderate rain. I still need to figure out how to get it networked to my 2 other PCs, but for now I can use just the one connected to the 360.

I have not had occasion to call tech support, but I had no problem getting through to sales or CS when I was asking questions.

It seems like they don't support their own website very well though; many of the items there seem outdated.  And on their member forum, very few of the posts are recent; old.


Question....  Is there reason for concern with the SpaceNet merger?  Service or rate changes pending?


 Also, regarding the screen shots posted above.  Where did those come from?  Is that part of the 484 software?  An add on utility?  There is nothing like that in my 360 software, just the Mission Control 5.2



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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2005, 02:57:51 PM »

Well, somehow I put my speed tests in the wrong thread, and I don't see a way to delete a post, so I'll just move them...



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