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I was wanting a quad core 2.4 with gigs and gig of ram with a nice 512 gfx card, but I was told by a guy I talk to regularly at the local pc shop that the quad cores run hot and only use 2 of the cores 80% of the time so the other 2 are sitting there. he said everything is written around single and dual core.
so my question is do I build a quad core with 8 gig ram and a kickass gfx card with sli capabilities and wait for programming to catch up to it?
or do i build like a dual core 3.0 with 4-8gig ram?
I play a couple online games, and I like moving files around, downloading, gfx and some video editing.
fill me in guys
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December 18, 2007, 09:30:56 PM »
unless you play alot of online games, like crysis and stuff. and alot of hardcore video editing and stuff, youd otn need a quad core...hell get one and wait if you want, but im perfectly fine not even maxxing out my dual core 5600+ amd cpu. and why get 8gigs of ram? 3 or 4 would be enough...if you really want alot i'd get 3GB...4 is overkill for most stuff... and yeh its true about the quad cores.
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What the guy told you is wrong.
Quad core processors don't just use 2 cores 80% of the time. If you are using vista it will balance the load on all 4 cores 100% of the time. If you use XP forget about it, it will never balance the load because its not threaded for quad core of even dual core.
about 99% of programs are written for single core and that will just about never change because most apps don't need to be threaded. Only things like Photoshop, Premier Pro, 3D Max, etc. need to be. With vista you can have 4 apps open and it will use a processor for each app, you do not have to worry that its not threaded.
Quad Cores don't run that hot. I have a Mac Pro here with 2 quad core xeon processors and it runs cooler then some dual core systems. I have a dual xeon dell here as well and it runs cooler then that as well.
But with what you are going to do, (unless your talking HD video) you don't need a quad core, save the money and get a core 2 duo.
You also don't need anything close to 8GB of ram. Go with a max of 4. and do it in 2, 2GB sticks so you can upgrade later.
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well it looks like a quad core 2.4 with 4 gig to start and 8 gig i the future for the 64 os i have to upgrade to. dual 512mb geforce 8600gt's 1000w ps a decent case with temp readouts, extra bays. I have yet to figure out what cooling option i want to go with. I'll have 1-3 120mm case fans, and a huge one for the cpu as well.
sound good lol.
might upgrade to a killer nic card as well in the future.
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ok...but do killer NIC cards really do that much to be worth the extra $$$
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Quote from: starship_troopers on December 21, 2007, 12:21:01 PM
ok...but do killer NIC cards really do that much to be worth the extra $$$
Nope
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thanks dlewis...i didnt think so. just makin sure.
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they say they do. I don't know. but for 250 they better do something lol
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Quote from: dlewis23 on December 21, 2007, 12:39:51 PM
Nope
how do you know this?
if you set it up right i assume it would do alot..or am I assuming wrong?
i don't know
less lag, ping, sounds awfly good
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i think you should just get a normal nic ...and tweak yoru connection...the killer nic is wayy to expensive...with no actual proof
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Quote from: GIXXERGUY6 on December 21, 2007, 01:54:16 PM
how do you know this?
if you set it up right i assume it would do alot..or am I assuming wrong?
i don't know
less lag, ping, sounds awfly good
you spend $220 on a nic so you can have a few MS shaved off your ping time, big deal. How about you just join a server thats closer to you.
It doesn't make that big of a difference in your ping time. If you have a good solid connection with a good upload and download speed, this nic is then a complete waste of money
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Quote from: dlewis23 on December 21, 2007, 02:32:48 PM
you spend $220 on a nic so you can have a few MS shaved off your ping time, big deal. How about you just join a server thats closer to you.
It doesn't make that big of a difference in your ping time. If you have a good solid connection with a good upload and download speed, this nic is then a complete waste of money
I'm not saying I'm going to get it. I've been looking it over lol.
anyone know of good nic card to get other than the onboards or generics?
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Quote from: GIXXERGUY6 on December 21, 2007, 02:36:23 PM
I'm not saying I'm going to get it. I've been looking it over lol.
anyone know of good nic card to get other than the onboards or generics?
Since its all done on your processor it doesn't matter which one you get.
Nic's are all just about the same.
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Quote from: GIXXERGUY6 on December 21, 2007, 01:03:46 AM
well it looks like a quad core 2.4 with 4 gig to start and 8 gig i the future for the 64 os i have to upgrade to. dual 512mb geforce 8600gt's 1000w ps a decent case with temp readouts, extra bays. I have yet to figure out what cooling option i want to go with. I'll have 1-3 120mm case fans, and a huge one for the cpu as well.
I sure hope you don't mean the 8600GT cards, they don't benefit from the added memory at all, because they can't handle the resolutions where the added memory is of use. A popular and useful combination is 2x HD3870 or 2x HD3850, because getting the 8800GT is quite hard to get currently (although the AMD cards are also getting more rare). Also, a 1000 watt PSU is plain overkill and generally has a lower efficiency at the wattage levels you'll be reaching with that setup. A 600W PSU from a well-known brand will be a much better and probably cheaper choice.
Unless you can find one which doesn't make the CPU do all the math, stick to on-board. The killer NIC does this, but is waaaay too expensive. It has other purposes.
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Quote from: RTB on December 21, 2007, 03:49:24 PM
I sure hope you don't mean the 8600GT cards, they don't benefit from the added memory at all, because they can't handle the resolutions where the added memory is of use. A popular and useful combination is 2x HD3870 or 2x HD3850, because getting the 8800GT is quite hard to get currently (although the AMD cards are also getting more rare). Also, a 1000 watt PSU is plain overkill and generally has a lower efficiency at the wattage levels you'll be reaching with that setup. A 600W PSU from a well-known brand will be a much better and probably cheaper choice.
Unless you can find one which doesn't make the CPU do all the math, stick to on-board. The killer NIC does this, but is waaaay too expensive. It has other purposes.
what are you talking about 8800gt hard to get and amd cards more rare?
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why are you saying the 8600gt isn't worth it?
running dual 512mb 8600gt's
I don't need 2 768's I only do mild gaming, some cs, sniper elite, nitto online racing, and some others, but then there is the movie playback and such. I am still figuring out which vid cards to go with. but I didn't see an issue with the video cards I was looking at.
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Quote from: dlewis23 on December 21, 2007, 02:38:20 PM
Since its all done on your processor it doesn't matter which one you get.
Nic's are all just about the same.
DLewis that is what the killer does, it has an onboard processor upto 400 MHz and 64 megs of built in ram to process this information to save the processors from doing so, and it stores the packets it needs for the game on the nic card instead of the hard drives so it doesn't have as much work to do in order to get thing running.
check out the videos on the killernic.com page or on youtube type in killer nic
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Quote from: GIXXERGUY6 on December 21, 2007, 05:03:51 PM
DLewis that is what the killer does, it has an onboard processor upto 400 MHz and 64 megs of built in ram to process this information to save the processors from doing so, and it stores the packets it needs for the game on the nic card instead of the hard drives so it doesn't have as much work to do in order to get thing running.
check out the videos on the killernic.com page or on youtube type in killer nic
I know what it does..... But it doesn't make much of a difference for the price. Besides with a quad core processor and 4GB of ram you will have plenty left over for the NIC.
Just use the onboard nic your never going to see the difference.
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Quote from: dlewis23 on December 21, 2007, 05:14:00 PM
I know what it does..... But it doesn't make much of a difference for the price. Besides with a quad core processor and 4GB of ram you will have plenty left over for the NIC.
Just use the onboard nic your never going to see the difference.
yeah that's what i figured. I'm just looking at all the options there are.
I've been told that no one needs a quad core cpu, that a dual core 3.0 will run more efficiently and will run circles around a quad core...... Something about windows only using 3.5 gig of ram and you don't need 4 or 6 or 8 gig...........I don't get it lol. Also told me that Asus mobo's aren't really as good as everyone says they are.
I am either thinking about going with the dual core 3.0 and 4 gig ram, or the quad with 4 gig of ram. He also told me that if you're using a bigger monitor(which i am using only a 17 flat right now but hope to get up to at least a 22 wide) that if you run dual gfx cards that the games will run slower, so it's best to go with just 1 good card. ie. 8800gts or gt i forget what he said. I need a gfx card that will accept VGA for the time being. I would like to have hdmi or dvi to conver to hdmi so i can run it around the corner and over to our 40" 1080p lcd samsung.(not really needed but woud be nice for movies) instead of having movies on my 500 GB external and playing them off my laptop onto the TV.
he said he can run crysis and other games on all full bore settings with his 3.0 2 gig ram setup that he has in the shop on display.
I also want to swap out my 2 250GB ide's for 1 or 2 sata's...I'm thinking a 200GB or so for the windows and applications, and then a bigger one for all my movies and pictures and other files that I currently have in my pc right now.
Fill me in guys.
what mobo would you go with, cpu, ram, gfx card....middle of the road 8GB capability for the future if I needed it, gfx card to last and work for anything I would need it for(I'm not a heavy gamer but I enjoy lag free, glitch free gameplay with I do play a game), I do video editing, picture editing, computing, surfing, online playing.ie CS S
COD4,maybe crysis, nitto legends, and others.
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Quote from: GIXXERGUY6 on December 21, 2007, 08:42:27 PM
he said he can run crysis and other games on all full bore settings with his 3.0 2 gig ram setup that he has in the shop on display.
Thats not happening. It takes $1800 worth of just graphics cards to get crysis to on full.
Quote from: GIXXERGUY6 on December 21, 2007, 08:42:27 PM
I've been told that no one needs a quad core cpu, that a dual core 3.0 will run more efficiently and will run circles around a quad core...... Something about windows only using 3.5 gig of ram and you don't need 4 or 6 or 8 gig...........I don't get it lol. Also told me that Asus mobo's aren't really as good as everyone says they are.
That can't be further from the truth. Lots of people need a quad core and more. I have dual Quad core's and I need more. A quad core will always run circles around a dual core processor except for when the app is only threaded for 2 cores or less, which is getting more rare as more people get quad core processors.
thats totally untrue that you don't need 4, 6, or 8GB of ram, it just depends what you are doing. 32bit windows will see 4GB no problem there is no 3.5GB thing. Vista will even use all of the 4GB on just start up because it will dump the entire OS into ram and pull from there when it needs that way everything is super fast.
Who ever told you that asus boards are not as good as everyone says really doesn't know what he or she is talking about because they are always some of the best that you can get. Gigabyte is also right up there with them.
Quote from: GIXXERGUY6 on December 21, 2007, 08:42:27 PM
I also want to swap out my 2 250GB ide's for 1 or 2 sata's...I'm thinking a 200GB or so for the windows and applications, and then a bigger one for all my movies and pictures and other files that I currently have in my pc right now.
If you do that get a WD raptor load windows and your apps on there, then get like a 500GB drive (they are so cheap now) and put all of your other stuff on there.
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1800$ in just gfx cards....PHUCK THAT LOL
yeah i've used asus in the past and always liked them.
here i'll post a setup i'm thinking about and you tell me what you guys think.
MBM-680ILT-Q6600 :: XFX GeForce 680i LT SLI Motherboard CPU Bundle - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Processor 2.40GHz OEM (5.2 lbs)
O261-8040 :: OCZ ReaperX Dual Channel 4096MB PC8000 DDR2 1000MHz Memory (2 x 2048MB) (0.75 lbs)
not a good mobo?
can it be overclocked?
fill me in guys
if you have links to comparable units let me know
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dude, i cant research stuff at the moment, but honestly, if you wanted a good computer for what you want....for a budget price limit we could "build" one with links to newegg or something for you. then you tweak it...that seems better than taking a week to get one part sorted out....sound good?
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Quote from: starship_troopers on December 21, 2007, 11:13:11 PM
dude, i cant research stuff at the moment, but honestly, if you wanted a good computer for what you want....for a budget price limit we could "build" one with links to newegg or something for you. then you tweak it...that seems better than taking a week to get one part sorted out....sound good?
SURE WHAT THE HELL LOL.
wants:
the ability to upgrade to 8 gig ram if needed in future,
gfx card capable of handling almost anything a novice gamer can through at it
I'm thinking quad core
a mobo that will allow for overclocking a lil
i'm thinking a i like that antec nine hundred case(it will keep everything nice and cool)
500w ps?
what gfx i don't know.
or does any of this sound off?
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ill answer your second question first....yes some of it sounds off....why do you still want 8gigs of ram? what is to be accomplished besides bragging rights...unless its a