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« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2008, 07:37:42 PM »

The only use for unions is they keep the companies in check. Otherwise they are huge resource hogs like Norton. And we all know what we think of them. And yes norton makes the rest look great.  evil
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« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2008, 06:24:53 PM »

Well that $600.00 would cover about 25 % of a months mortgage for me  2funny so forget that !

So does anybody know how we get the $600, i filed out the paperwork and thought i was only getting $300,
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« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2008, 06:30:37 PM »

So does anybody know how we get the $600, i filed out the paperwork and thought i was only getting $300,
I think the people that filed online, or at the H&R, ( I think) will be getting there's by automatic deposit, this week. The rest supposedly go by your social security number, in order. 
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« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2008, 06:46:28 PM »

Ok, looks like thats the easiest $600 ive ever made,  Very Happy Very Happy
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« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2008, 09:30:27 PM »

So does anybody know how we get the $600, i filed out the paperwork and thought i was only getting $300,

the way i read it...it goes by ur filing status and ur agi and if u have dependents what ur child tax credit was...300-600 is the range even if ur single with no dependents based on ur agi...read here...scenerios http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=177937,00.html
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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2008, 01:59:37 PM »

opec can go F#@& them selves. They keep saying that, they keep compiling they don't have enough money, yet they have the highest profits ever, and demand is higher then ever. It doesn't make since.

There is no reason why oil should have ever even gotten close to where it is now. And as long as the dollar is weak its going to be like this. Yet, we have so much damn here to lower the price back to a dollar a gallon, but we can't get it, or refine it, because those damn liberal envro. nuts say "oh your going to hurt and kill the animals"

IDK about you all but at this point I don't care if we drill through a F#@&en caribou's head in alaska to get the oil. its there, its ours, lets go get it.

I can go stand on the beach and see the perfect spot to drill for cheap oil yet we can't do it, again because of the F#@&en liberals, But china can, in our own god damn water.
"Why should OPEC give a dam about America, ? it's getting the best price possible on the world markets ,  oil has past it's peak on output and beginning to run down ,
China has little oil and has now paid the premium and bought Africa, if I owned a oil field or two I would be mothballing them ,meanwhile America fights a war against the worlds biggest oil producer ,  Islamic nations,
Guy's you ain't ever going to see cheap oil again , so adjust and learn to live with it ,
Just my thoughts , and as allways feel free to disagree ,
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Ps I just got this as a email , so if yiou don't know what to spend your tax rebate on , this may help 





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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2008, 04:49:43 PM »

How many times I have to say this. Fossill suel is just that. Prehistoric. We need to drop it like a rock, and find other much better and eco friendly fuels. While we still have a chance.

And again, the hell with opec. We really do not need them if we do it right.

Just buy 10-15 acres and grow your own corn fuel.  :haha: :haha: Believe me I will soon enough. Might even drink a bit of it.  occasion14  That and woods. Can't really wait.


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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2008, 07:06:05 PM »

Corn fuel is worse than oil.  We burn oil to refine it, we cut down trees to make land to grow the corn, and when farmers crow corn for biofuel, it hurts the food supply. 

What is the most common element in the universe?  Hydrogen....
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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2008, 07:07:04 PM »

Corn fuel is worse than oil.  We burn oil to refine it, we cut down trees to make land to grow the corn, and when farmers crow corn for biofuel, it hurts the food supply. 

What is the most common element in the universe?  Hydrogen....
Ahmen brother, that is the flat out truth !!
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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2008, 08:53:14 PM »

Corn fuel is worse than oil.  We burn oil to refine it, we cut down trees to make land to grow the corn, and when farmers crow corn for biofuel, it hurts the food supply. 

What is the most common element in the universe?  Hydrogen....
If you would do some home work you'd realize the land was cleared a long time ago. You ever hear of CRP?

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USDA ISSUES $1.8 BILLION IN CONSERVATION RESERVE PROGRAM RENTAL PAYMENTS

 

WASHINGTON, Oct. 1, 2007 - Acting Agriculture Secretary Chuck Conner announced that beginning today, USDA will distribute approximately $1.8 billion in Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) rental payments to participants across the country for fiscal year 2008 for completed performance in the prior fiscal year.

 

"By participating in CRP, producers and other landowners throughout the nation are improving air and water quality, enhancing wildlife habitat and reducing erosion," said Conner. "These practices are making a real difference today and promoting a healthier environment for the next generation."

 

Producers holding about 782,000 contracts on 441,000 farms will receive an average of $49.49 per acre. The number of contracts is higher than the number of farms because some producers may have multiple contracts on a single farm. The payments allow producers to earn an average of $4,130 per farm enrolled in the program.

 

Included in the totals are 355,000 contracts (3.9 million acres) for CRP's continuous sign-up and 427,000 contracts (32.9 million acres) for general sign-up. Under continuous sign-up, producers may enroll high priority conservation practices such as filter strips and riparian buffers at any time without competition.

 

Currently, enrollment stands at 36.8 million acres, making CRP the largest public-private partnership for conservation and wildlife habitat in the United States.
http://www.fsa.usda.gov/FSA/newsReleases?area=newsroom&subject=landing&topic=ner&newstype=newsrel&type=detail&item=nr_20071001_rel_0276.html

So come along as we next find out how long the gov't has been paying farmers to leave this land to not be used and yet still get paid.
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The Soil Conservation Act of 1935 (PL 74-46) established the Soil Conservation Service and made funding available for farmers who established soil conservation practices. This mode of bringing cash to farmers had not been challenged in court, so it became the basis of economic relief in the next farm bill: the 1936 Soil Conservation and Domestic Allotment Act (PL 74-461).
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Agricultural Act of 1956 (PL 70-540) created the Soil Bank, which took 29 million acres out of production. By transferring these acres into conserving practices, the government could decrease surplus supply as well as deal with (as stated in the act) "the stifling effects of erosion that threatened the welfare of every American and disrupted markets and commerce on the whole." These acres were to be diverted into soil, water, forest, and wildlife conservation programs in exchange for government rental payments for 10 years.

Which as I remember is the reason we pay farmers not to work open unwooded land. There was too much competition between farmers and hardly any were showing a profit. So why not stop paying him to sit on his duff and now pay him to grow fuel which would not have a thing to do with food. Partly why so many farmers had to get jobs to keep the farms going. Farmers who are going for the corn fuel are starting for once  to show a profit afor the first time in many years. You can fight it but I doubt you will be able to beat it.
    Besides we export much more than we presently use.


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The Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) was authorized by the Food Security Act of 1985 and nationwide enrollment was capped at 45,000,000 acres (180,000 km˛). CRP offers annual payments for 10-15 year contracts to participants who establish grass, shrub and tree cover on environmentally sensitive lands. It was reauthorized in the 1996 Farm Bill and the 2002 Farm Bill and the nationwide cap is now 39,200,000 acres (159,000 km˛). Currently, 34,500,000 acres (140,000 km˛) are enrolled.

The goals of the CRP are five-fold:

• reduce soil erosion on highly erodible land

• protect ground and surface water by reducing runoff and sedimentation

• increase benefits for wildlife

• protect the nation’s long-term capacity to provide food and fiber and

• provide income support to producers by curbing the production of surplus commodities

To date, CRP has arguably been the most successful conservation program in the U. S. in terms of improving water quality, soil quality and building wildlife populations.

Enrollments in 2007 have been down 21 percent compared with 2006. This drop can primarily be attributed to competition with rising cash rental rates on existing cropland. The growing biofuels industry has caused commodity prices to surge and cash rental rates have increased substantially. Rental rates on CRP have failed to keep pace and in many cases are only half of the going rates on nearby cropland.

Congress is currently considering reauthorizing CRP in the 2007 U.S. Farm Bill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_Reserve_Program

So what say we put farmers back to work. Which for one is cleaner, and 2 is putting americans to work instead causing wars.  :haha: :haha:

There is also nothing wrong with wind or solar powered corn refineries.
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« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2008, 06:51:49 AM »

some interesting thoughts on fuel tech. here, especially ghostmaster's Hydrogen....
more at http://www.geocities.com/hydrogenpower1/essays/main/hydrogen.html#abstract


but getting back on topic , the Stimulus payments , would it not been wiser to have invested that into alternative fuel technology , that would have given a long lasting stimulus instead of a one off good time party fund , ?

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« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2008, 07:18:12 AM »

Bit of late (bad ) news
Opec warns oil could reach $200

Opec, the oil producing cartel, has warned that the price of crude could keep rising to reach $200 a barrel.

Opec president Chakib Khelil blamed the falling value of the US dollar, which makes other assets, including oil, more attractive for foreign investors.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7370441.stm
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« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2008, 07:33:48 AM »

Point taken on the land issue, but you don't have to do homework to realize that ethanol is not the answer.  

With thousands of acres of corn fields come thousands of pounds of fertilizers and thousands of pounds of pesticides.

When farmers switch to growing fuel corn, they aren't growing something else we need.  This causes higher demand and increases food prices, which are constantly rising.

We use petroluem to transport it.

Ethanol absorbs water.  So you won't be sending it through long pipelines.

Hell, all you have to do is google "ethanol is bad" and you get 700000 hits.

And we wouldn't be putting Americans to work growing corn, we'd be putting mexican immigrants to work.  :haha:

Either way, we have to start at the top to really make a change, and that means solar and nuclear energy for our nation's power grid.

Invest in jobs, and the economy will follow....

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« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2008, 07:37:41 AM »

Bit of late (bad ) news
Opec warns oil could reach $200

Opec, the oil producing cartel, has warned that the price of crude could keep rising to reach $200 a barrel.

Opec president Chakib Khelil blamed the falling value of the US dollar, which makes other assets, including oil, more attractive for foreign investors.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7370441.stm


I guess they need the money to fund 1000 more palaces for all those Saudi "princes".  This trend is just going to contiunue.  Unless we do something about it.  Which unfortunately will either be changing the way we produce energy and fuel, or war.
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« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2008, 09:47:11 AM »

You mean farmers would hire immigrants to run their tractors and trucks? Here in Missouri things like corn do not require outside human manual labor help to grow and harvest much. Its been mechanized for years. And ethanol would not have to be pipelined so much as it is produced right where it is needed. Except maybe in the eastern US where the populous does not allow enough to be grown since there is not as much farmland. But for much of the US that is not a burden at all.

The reason we use petroleum to transport it is because we have not gotten the trucks all changed to bio-diesel as of yet.  uglystupid2 One of these days restaurant grease will become a real investment.

438,000 for petroleum is bad  Wink
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=petroleum+is+bad&btnG=Google+Search

This $600 is merely a tease by the government. I doubt it represents 0.1% of the tax brought in to the govt this year. But we all know how the govt is on bait and switch.

As to pesticides plenty is put in the ground besides farmers. But you also have to realize farmers have for years been switching to safer products as they become available. Its not nearly as bad as it used to be.
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