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OH so this is all about a film. 

Sure had me lost for a minute. 

Looks interesting.

the nazi's went to the moon and they still lost the war, kinda gets you thinking what if they used all there resources on the war.

LOL it's a film , but in a strange way they did get to the moon in real life ,
Wernher von Braun and some of his team went to  America at the close of the war , and lead the team
to Americas landing on the moon ,  although Wernher von Braun  was a war time German Rocket scientist
he was arrested several times by the Nazis and at one stage was to face the firing squad , for his anti Nazi belief's ,
his only intrest was in Rockets , and he hated the war time use of them , in his autobiography  , he stated the V2 rocket was incapable of reaching the moon , and none left the earth's orbit

BTW, others of his German team went to Russia , and they put the first man into space ,
" at At the end of the third Reich collapse, there was a dash across Europe to recover V-2 missiles and components.  The Soviets captured Peenemünde but found von Braun and his key personnel had fled west with their technical archives to surrender to the Americans. "
http://www.ispyspace.com/V-2.html
in the 1980's while working in Germany I had the privilege of working with one of his team ,by his account , the whole team was not not interested in war, only  to build rockets,    the war was just a provider of funds , they tried not to look futher than that , they knew they could not build enough to change the outcome of WW2 , for every 1 ton of explosives the sent they got a 1000 tons back , the war was lost for Germany in 1942-43 , Hitler underestimated the American influence ,and by turning on Russia , it was all over , just a mater of time , but he would not surrender and wasted millions of lives in a lost cause ,
BTW,  they were working on a long range V1 (,Prototype Cuise missile ) that could have reached New York , but they had a serious shortage of fuel and materials by then  , so it got cancelled , also their atomic program was running late ,

LOL I went off the deep end there , but I have been obsessed by rocketry since I was about 8 years old ,
built my own 2 stage rocket with a war head by age 10 , but like Germany I had financial constraint's  now  looking back that can only have been the savior of the local  neighbourhood  ,

BTW , I did work in that industry for a while , but after comming Face to what was left of a Face ,
that had been on the receiving end , I decided to go off and seek work in a more humane field,

HI Adrian Wainer ,
Hitlers support was around 70% before the war started, with his early victories  it rose to about 90% right to the end
He has been judged the worlds greatest orator , (but  not truth teller BTW )  although towards the end of the war ,
a number of loyal Germans tried to assassinate him , mainly from the military , the population in general did not loose faith in him , and struggled on to the end ,
as far a von Braun , it is on record he was jailed twice , the second time he was rescued by the head of the secrete weapons research dept .  all manufacturing plants had two people in charge  one the standard boss if you will , the second was a Nazi SS overseer  , whose remit was to maintain moral and discipline , indeed  no doubt those that survived  played down there part in the war ,
the Russian problem ?,"the subhumans" as Hitler called then was his downfall, and he was his own agent of that ,
having brokered a deal with the Russians , for them not to oppose his expansion eastwards , but to share in the joint profits , and indeed between the two they squeezed the life out of Poland , causing France and England to step into the war ,( far too late IMHO,)  Russia then made it's move into the oil fields further East , the very target Hitler was next planing to attack , although Russia offered all the oil Hitler needed , he went off on one of his major rants ,
and within a month or so changed all his plans to invade England , then turned on Russia, so in reality 42-43 was the end of Germany ,
his quotes about the Allies

British , beaten but won't except it
Russians , it takes 100 to equal 1 German 
USA ,( He did not understand America , like most Europeans of that time )  we will deal with them later ,
I am not worried about them it will take then at least 10years to get on a war footing ,
France , they are tired of wars , and have no spirit left

I am curious about your remark "  As for Germany itself, the reaction of Germany in the aftermath of 9/11 really showed up that when push comes to shove, not a lot had changed. "
 I would appreciate it if you could expand this a bit more ,  just curious , and not looking for a argument on that , I was not aware they had and different view than the rest of Europe ?
Indeed Best regards
Roco.........UK

Is there a reference on the internet to this jailing of Von Braun?

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2976091,00.html

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Nobody comes out of the Saddam Hussein story smelling of roses, but that said there was a legitimate requirement to contain Iranian ambitions and when Saddam's War against Iran went wrong, it was to an extent the lesser of two evils to provide some support to Iraq as much as e.g. Churchill who was fiercely anti-communist sent British shipping through U-boat infested seas at much cost, to deliver supplies to Russia. Unfortunately in international politics, as I can easily see from the high quality of your postings, that you would understand is that much of the activity which goes on, is trying to keep almost un-solveable problems from turning in to giant catastrophes. As for the French, I think they sold more stuff to Saddam Hussein than pretty much anybody else, but it is not the likes of fighters and missiles they sold him that bugs me, it was the Osirak nuclear weapons production facility and the biological weapons factory, that I object to. As for the IRA, they were up for the Third Reich during World War 2, and how they would square their supposed interest in rights for Catholics with SS Aryan race fanatics worshiping the likes of Thor, shooting Polish Catholic priests, must presumably remain one of life's great mysteries. As for Von Braun, as best as I can see he got in to trouble for shooting off his mouth when he was drunk, and I have heard people speak the greatest nonsense when they are drunk and the other time he was involved in a bitch-fest between two sets of Nazis fighting for control of the rocket program, like there where people in the Third Reich that took risks to try and do some good but I can't see that anyway applies to Von Braun. As one journalist put it, speaking of Von Braun."I aim for the stars, but sometimes I hit London",. There were people, who were a lot worse than Von Braun and personally I am not that concerned with him, but I think it was disgraceful for the US authorities to  have tried to have turned this charactor in to some sort of all American hero, for the reason there was absolutely no need, as there were plenty of brillant scientists and administrators in the US who did not have his sordid background and who could have done the job just aswell, and in fact I think NASA has to an extent turned itself in to a national joke as a result of inheriting the propagandizing and taste for grandiose schemes that were a trademark of the Third Reich, like the idea of sending a manned mission to Mars is beyond nuts in an era of advanced robotics and microprocessors. Anyway that's enough ranting from me for one day, thanx for the Iran link hadn't seen it before. And thanx again for the great reply, very interesting and very impressive.

This is a freeware sim for anybody interested in spaceflight
http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/

Super paper from NASA [ yes, despite what I said before, there are also lots of good things about NASA ] on the use of Hydrogen as a rocket fuel
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4404/contents.htm

Here's a bit about Francis Stuart another "Lord Haw Haw" except his broadcasts were principally directed at Southern Ireland rather than the UK.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2007/1124/1195682229672.html

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer