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OMG !!!!! How ignorant can this thing get ??????
The arrogance that people feel that what they can say is ok, and what the rest can say should be stopped is mind blowing !
Unfrickin believable !!!!!
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Obama Campaign Threaten Legal Action Over NRA Ads
Thursday, September 25, 2008
Fairfax, VA-Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has sent threatening letters to news agencies in Pennsylvania and Ohio to stop airing ads exposing his anti-gun record sponsored by the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF).
The kicker? NRA-PVF's Ohio’s ads have not yet begun running.
“Barack Obama and his campaign are terrified of the truth,” declared Chris W. Cox, Chairman of NRA-PVF. “Sen. Obama's statements and support for restricting access to firearms, raising taxes on guns and ammunition and voting against the use of firearms for self-defense in the home are a matter of public record. NRA-PVF will make sure that everyone knows of Obama's abysmal record on guns and hunting.”
The Obama campaign sent cease and desist letters to news outlets in Pennsylvania and Ohio, denouncing the ads and demanding their removal from the airwaves. All stations where NRA-PVF has purchased or plans to purchase ads have been provided with documented evidence of Sen. Obama's anti-gun record.
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While it is pretty well known that I am not super fond of hand guns, and especially automatic or assault weapons. I believe we all have the right to weapons. I love shotguns, and rifles. Obama as usual is a nut case.
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i don't believe in any of it...i only believe in bunnies...and bunnies and guns do not mix...
don't get me started...
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Good Gosh Obama is a dipS#!t... Damn.
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Quote from: Shug7272 on September 25, 2008, 10:20:55 PM
Good Gosh Obama is a dipS#!t.
I hope this isn't news to ya, Shug
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Quote from: tdawnaz on September 25, 2008, 10:00:25 PM
i don't believe in any of it...i only believe in bunnies...and bunnies and guns do not mix...
don't get me started...
IDK about that. I think bunnies and guys do mix.
If I was the NRA I would run the ads anyway. There is nothing he can do about it, he has no legal right to do anything to them over it. He is just scared that someone is not kissing his ass like other media outlets are.
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Quote from: dlewis23 on September 26, 2008, 06:46:42 AM
IDK about that. I think bunnies and guys do mix.
oh...ur right bunnies and guys do mix...i know lots of guys that love little bunny wabbits...*cuddle cuddle*
Quote from: dlewis23 on September 26, 2008, 06:46:42 AM
If I was the NRA I would run the ads anyway. There is nothing he can do about it, he has no legal right to do anything to them over it. He is just scared that someone is not kissing his ass like other media outlets are.
i totally agree...despite my personal feelings about guns...we still have a constitutional right to have them if we choose and we still have the right to choose or not to choose AND we have the constitutional right to talk about those choices for ourselves and others and publish it if we choose...and this is why they want to "change" up the constitution to take away our right to make those choices and these issues are covered under the first and second amendments...which means that these are the first two rights that they thought of when they were writing this document...and these are two that obama tries to usurp with his legal mumbo jumbo
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Quote from: philp on September 26, 2008, 05:49:45 AM
I hope this isn't news to ya, Shug
Nope, it still shocks me at times though..for both sides of the coin.
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Kind of like Niagra falls. You know its dangerous, and yet you knew someone else was gonna go over it in a barrel anyway.
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I thought I posted this the other day but I couldn't find it .I don't think it's the NRA add but could be.
http://www.youtube.com/v/ifEg1aq6Emo
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Quote from: tommie gorman on September 26, 2008, 03:23:11 PM
Kind of like Niagra falls. You know its dangerous, and yet you knew someone else was gonna go over it in a barrel anyway.
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For some reason they load slow.
These are the NRA ads Obama doesn't like:
http://www.youtube.com/v/xzr_nlTi7-8
You have to copy & paste this one:
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hvHzgUhpCE]
http://www.youtube.com/v/76aW2LuQKe8
http://www.youtube.com/v/58Z9p3CR-ys
Then go to the site gunbanobama.com that's at the end of the video & check out some of the articles.
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While I do not believe voting for either candidate will help your freedom, Sequoia, I do believe in the right to bear arms. Taking guns away from 95% of the population would only allow criminals to have them. I think all citizens should have a gun and safety training and carry it everywhere. You can bet crime would go down, so would vigilantism, but dont think criminals wouldnt notice everyone had a gun like them. Just like the college shootings, if every other person on that campus that was an adult had a gun there would have been one or two victims tops.
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Yep, he is headed down a one way street alright. And too bad if he does not like those ads, he should have the guts to stand on what he believes. And why politicians never show their views anymore. They might not get elected.
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Quote from: Shug7272 on September 27, 2008, 05:26:34 PM
While I do not believe voting for either candidate will help your freedom, Sequoia, I do believe in the right to bear arms. Taking guns away from 95% of the population would only allow criminals to have them.
Why is it so hard for people to see that? Do these bleeing heart liberals that want to ban legal firearm ownership really think that ganGBangers and other criminals buy their weapons from sporting goods stores after the 7 day waiting period and a background check?
Quote from: Shug7272 on September 27, 2008, 05:26:34 PM
I think all citizens should have a gun and safety training and carry it everywhere.
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Shug7272 ;You're probably correct about the voting but I'm still going to vote.That will be for McCain because I consider him the lesser of two bad choices.We all know an Independent doesn't have a chance.At least not in this election.If one was running close to the Rep & Dem then I would probably vote for the Independent.
He would have to be wearing a Hitler costume & sombrero for me not to.
Of course I support the Second Amendment.I even take it a step further I believe all adult citizens should own or have access to at least one gun & keep at least a box of ammunition.I believe Americans are born into the militia & should be ready at anytime if called to defend the USA.Either by the government or circumstances(like invasion).
Or even a revolution to get the government back in control of the people.
The latter is what we need but right now I don't know of a group that has any chance of even starting a revolution.
I don't have a concealed carry permit because I believe the only permit really needed is the second amendment.
The CCP is just one more fee illegally imposed by government.
If I had the funds I would strap on my six gun & go where I was sure to be arrested .Then fight it to the Supreme Court using only the second amendment as the defense.
You see I believe all citizens without a criminal record should be allowed to carry a gun anywhere ,anytime, anyplace until they prove the can't handle doing that .The proof would be the use of the gun to commit a crime.
Personally I think even criminals that didn't use a weapon in the crime they committed & that have served their sentence should also be allowed this right again.
You see I'm not afraid of allowing an accountant that embezzled some money to be armed.
Probably the ex-con that was guilty of armed robbery is going to be armed if he decides to commit the crime again anyway.
Maybe that accountant will shoot him & save my life.
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Quote from: Sequoia on September 28, 2008, 09:58:01 AM
You see I believe all citizens without a criminal record should be allowed to carry a gun anywhere ,anytime, anyplace until they prove the can't handle doing that .The proof would be the use of the gun to commit a crime.
I think the better way would be to educate the people in firearm safety and proper use before allowing them to carry one on the streets. We don't give our teenagers a car and wait for them to wreck it before we teach them how to drive, do we?
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Quote from: philp on September 29, 2008, 05:42:02 AM
I think the better way would be to educate the people in firearm safety and proper use before allowing them to carry one on the streets. We don't give our teenagers a car and wait for them to wreck it before we teach them how to drive, do we?
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Quote from: philp on September 29, 2008, 05:42:02 AM
We don't give our teenagers a car and wait for them to wreck it before we teach them how to drive, do we?
Well it seems like some people to do that.
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To me it's more than obvious that everyone that chooses to carry, goes through the course. And has the minimum hours of field training.
A full mental and criminal background check. I'm not talking about someone who has just had issues with the law, or even issues with a gun, I'm talking about
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violent crimes.
As is stands, someone that has intentions to do something stupid, will. Generally with no defense.
There's no way that we we'll ever get all the guns off the street. If we did a roundup, we'd see the high powered (fully auto) smuggled ones rise up, and who knows where that would lead us.
obama has made so many mistakes, and said so many idiotic things , it's hard to fathom that the majority wants to see this country that controlled by a more or less military force to enforce all these things.
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Quote from: philp on September 29, 2008, 05:42:02 AM
I think the better way would be to educate the people in firearm safety and proper use before allowing them to carry one on the streets. We don't give our teenagers a car and wait for them to wreck it before we teach them how to drive, do we?
I'm not opposed to firearm training as long as the government doesn't make it a requirement.
The writers of the second amendment assumed people would be trained as they were raised.
I don't even remember exactly when my training started but somewhere around 5 or 6 years old.
I remember at 6 when I was in the country visiting a cousin that lived out in the country we were allowed to go out unsupervised & hunt rabbits.We never got into any trouble,neither of us got shot by the other,we knew not to shoot anything we weren't supposed to or the privelege would be stopped.
btw we did bring home rabbits which we helped clean.
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It is mandatory to gain a CCW card. Should it be ? Well, I suppose that would be a good argument.
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I'm aware of the government requirement for CCW .I see the need for those that aren't trained .I feel I've already been trained & further the second amendment has no training requirement.I think I have been like the minutemen were already trained .So I say training should be the option for those that feel they need it.
On the CCW a lot of that is to train those that get the permit where they are allowed to carry & where they are not.
As far as I'm concerned this is illegal restriction of the second amendment even to require a CCW permit.
The permit all Americans have is the second amendment there is no need for a further one.
My answer is no it shouldn't be required & if a citizen makes the choice to carry a firearm & stupidly kills someone then that citizen should be criminally prosecuted .
But no worse than a cop would.
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I agree in some way that the people of the US should not have to jump through hoops to be able to express the right of the 2nd, but at the same token, where would we get screening from if not ?
I personally took the class in 05' to get my CCW, and the only section that had anything to do with where we could carry was less than a minute saying the obvious , ( banks, gov buildings ect. The better part of the 12 hrs or whatever it was had to do with learning the device, and what each part played, many sections were detailed in loads and types , and quite a bit of history. A 20 plus page test was involved,as well as a field test for accuracy. Followed by the world wide background check. ( They don't tell you just how deep they look into your personal life to gather info about you. )
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mudmanc4 ;There is no provision in the 2nd for screening so for the most part no need.A saleperson should be trained to recognize a mentally handicapped person.The felon is going to get a weapon somewhere if they want one regardless of the law.So the screening is usually only a problem for the law abiding citizen.
I refuse to get a CCW but my brother did get his.His instructor spent considerable time on where a weapon could be legally carried.You know what type sign had to be displayed by a business to not allow CCW.Things like a person with a CCW can legally park in a school parking lot with the weapon but has to leave it locked in the vehicle if going on the other school grounds or buildings.On requirements when stopped by a law officer.On states with reciprocal agreements.I guess this instructor just didn't want his students arrested.
There was a field test & I guess a major background check because it was about 6 weeks before he got the permit after the course & had paid for it..
The laws above would be Texas law but may be the same in other states.
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I agree somewhat on the 2nd amendment issue, but there is no way that anyone can be trained enough to know what someone will do.
It's just the agreement made to make us jump through hoops to get a legal permit to carry. I say so what, so I had to sit there with several like minded people for a few days, and we had more fun that what i thought. I also learned more than i thought i would. I grew up with my grandfather owning over a 100 year old gun shop, being around them from the time i wasn't even born, shooting them from time to time. I helped my father clean them , and take general care of them. My dad also taught me to be safe with them, and to store them properly, and safely.
So guns are nothing new to me. There are no surprises. And the way i see it we should not be calling them " weapons " , the object is only a " weapon " if we choose it to be. Otherwise it is a sidearm. Or , for some, an hand cannon