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What does it really mean to be an American Patriot?
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There are so many people posting about what it means to be a proud American, and a Patriot. I question a lot of them because they seem to be so self serving, and that is not what our country has been built upon. We are greater than one person, we are a whole entity.
I'm getting annoyed by it, and I felt it was time to put my own thoughts forward. If you don't like them: blow me and go read something else. One thing you cannot and will never be able to do is querstion MY Patriotism, I hope that for those that I question, you will see some of yourself in these words and make a change. If you are a true patriot you will know, understand and reaffirm the meanings of our forefathers in the Declaration of Independace and our Bill of Rights. You will not allow anyone the chance to change the general meaning of what our founding fathers meant to have done.
First I will give my opinion on some situations and comments that I have seen recently. I will not comment on the posts, I will merely give my opinion on them.
To be an American Patriot means that you are not obstinate about Amreica's place in the world. You are Proud of where our country has come in the past >300 years.
You are thankful for all the obstacles you DON'T have to face and grateful for the few you do have to face.
You recognize that our country was founded on a great melange of differing opinions and yet we are the most fortunate young country that has ever been.
You see our opportunities and failures and recognize that those in power only have that power which we give them.
You know that you will never be put in jail for speaking your mind.
You understand that the government is an extension of you and their failures are also ours as we voted them into office.
You recognize that you have to accept each President Elect as the President to be due to the fact that our democratic process insures that the person that is being elected is the person elected by the majority and that is how we function.
You understand ALL OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS. Most people ignore them and don't educate themselves... leading to the wrong choices in power.
You can have more than one child, and more than one can be a female who does not have to cover herself with cloth.
You know that you have the right and duty to defend yourself and your family from theives and oppression and if need be, to rise up against the government to fight against injustice.
A real Patriot of the generic variety is one who understands his responsibilities as a Citizen. That means he or she must exercise their CITIZENSHIP by watching, reading and listening to news and information that will prepare them to cast an informed, responsible VOTE at every election, local, state and national. Another part of that exercise is to provide guidance to one's children on civics, government, culture, society and history all of which help to define that family's character -- political and otherwise! Children must be taught to be Citizens by their parents. It is best accomplished by setting a good example of Citizenship by taking them to the polls when you vote!
Raising our children to be law abiding, accountable for their behavior, honest and good neighbors are other aspects of Citizenship and Patriotism. Anyone who works to make the USA a better Nation is a Patriot! But if that same person does NOT Vote by casting an INFORMED VOTE, he or she has failed the test of Patriotism!
If you want to do what is right in the name of Citizenship and Patriotism today, you should demand that newspapers and TV and Radio outlets provide reliable and honest news and information that presents all sides of the issue so we, the Voters, can make up our own minds, rather than becoming victims of propaganda! To be a Good Citizen and Patriot, you must have the courage to demand Honesty or stop spending your money on products and services advertised by dishonest TV stations and other MEDIA outlets!
For an alternate reference point to a definition of patriotism, here are some of Thomas Jefferson’s more famous quotes:
“Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism.”
“A little rebellion now and then... is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.”
Now: I could argue that our founding fathers should be the benchmark definition of patriotism, but we need to be realistic. The founding fathers were rebels. Everyone that signed the Declaration of Independence signed their own death warrant (if they were captured by the British). For the purposes of this discussion on patriotism, I think the definition of patriotism is best described by the Greek philosopher Socrates, "patriotism does not require one to agree with everything that his country does and would actually promote analytical questioning in a quest to make the country the best it possibly can be."
I would expand Socrates definition of patriotism as such: A patriot does not attempt to make a country the best it can be for himself, but for all of his fellow countrymen. An act of self sacrifice where the ultimate goal of a patriot is to make life better for his fellow citizens.
I think that patriotism and being a patriot is crucial to the survival of the US Republic. Each and every American is responsible for the continuation of our representative democracy. I will jump back to Thomas Jefferson for the basic reason I am writing this piece.
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.”
Many of us express anything from disgust, to disdain for our current political system. We think “the powerful and the greedy control everything, it has always been this way, and there is nothing I can do”,
but it is our duty as Americans to look to preserve our Republic in the ways we see best.
• "To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
• " I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it."
-- Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1776
I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit."
-- President Grover Cleveland vetoing a bill for charity relief (18 Congressional Record 1875 [1877]
"I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for public charity. [To approve the measure] would be contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon which the Union of these States is founded."
-- President Franklin Pierce's 1854 veto of a measure to help the mentally ill.
A patriot loves his country but loves its people more. A patriot believes in his country and his government but will stand up against injustice against its people. A patriot thinks not of himself but of his people and is willing to put him or herself on the line for those ideals and to better society. Think of our forefathers, think of those who history has recorded to have put their lives on the line so that we might have the country we do today! from 1773-2007 we have many heroes to look too but who among us will follow?!? -= anonymous
Now I will spend some time showing exactly what the constitution of the United States saysand what it
means
to us today. It might carry into tomorrow because I DO have to sleep. SO please be patient.
The Preamble:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
What does that mean?
We, those people chosen to represent the rest of this great arena, have decided that these are to be the rules that we shall live by, for the greatness of our nation and others, and the prosperity and peace off all.
The United States Constitution is deliberately inefficient.
The Separation of Powers devised by the framers of the Constitution was designed to do one primary thing: to prevent the majority from ruling with an iron fist. Based on their experience, the framers shied away from giving any branch of the new government too much power. The separation of powers provides a system of shared power known as Checks and Balances.
Three branches are created in the Constitution. The Legislative, composed of the House and Senate, is set up in Article 1. The Executive, composed of the President, Vice-President, and the Departments, is set up in Article 2. The Judicial, composed of the federal courts and the Supreme Court, is set up in Article 3.
Each of these branches has certain powers, and each of these powers is limited, or checked, by another branch.
For example, the President appoints judges and departmental secretaries. But these appointments must be approved by the Senate. The Congress can pass a law, but the President can veto it. The Supreme Court can rule a law to be unconstitutional, but the Congress, with the States, can amend the Constitution.
All of these checks and balances, however, are inefficient. But that's by design rather than by accident. By forcing the various branches to be accountable to the others, no one branch can usurp enough power to become dominant.
To be an American Patriot means that you are not obstinate about Amreica's place in the world. You are Proud of where our country has come in the past >300 years.
You are thankful for all the obstacles you DON'T have to face and grateful for the few you do have to face.
You recognize that our country was founded on a great melange of differing opinions and yet we are the most fortunate young country that has ever been.
You see our opportunities and failures and recognize that those in power only have that power which we give them.
You know that you will never be put in jail for speaking your mind.
You understand that the government is an extension of you and their failures are also ours as we voted them into office.
You recognize that you have to accept each president elect as the president to be due to the fact that our democratic process insures that the person that is being elected is the person elected by the majority and that is how we function.
You understand ALL OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS. Most people ignore tham and don't educate themselves... leading to the wrong choices in power.
You can have more than one child, and more than one can be a female who does not have to cover herself with cloth.
You know that you have the right and duty to defend yourself and your family from theives and oppression and if need be, to rise up against the government to fight against injustice.
For an alternate reference point to a definition of patriotism, here are some of Thomas Jefferson’s more famous quotes:
“Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism.”
“A little rebellion now and then... is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.”
To Be Continued....
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The American constitutional system includes a notion known as the Separation of Powers. In this system, several branches of government are created and power is shared between them. At the same time, the powers of one branch can be challenged by another branch. This is what the system of checks and balances is all about.
There are three branches in the United States government as established by the Constitution. First, the Legislative branch makes the law. Second, the Executive branch executes the law. Last, the Judicial branch interprets the law. Each branch has an effect on the other.
Is the American system superior to any of these, or to any other, system of government? That depends on where you sit. The French and the British might scoff at the fact that our head of state, the President, has no power to make laws. They might cringe at the thought that judges can render the will of the people, in the form of a duly passed law, null and void. Canadians might think that state powers ought to be enumerated; Mexicans might marvel at the longevity of some career American politicians.
Americans might look with amusement at the institution of the British monarchy, and its continued hold, if only on paper, on Canada. Americans might cringe at the British thought of majority rule with no written constitution to be used as a guide or rule book. We might worry that the French Presidency has the potential to turn tyrannical by the misuse of emergency powers. We might worry that a Mexican judiciary, without lifetime tenure or a solid stare decisis system might lead to incoherent judicial policy.
But recall that each of these nations, and the hundred others in this world, have political and social traditions that sometimes date back a thousand years. Despite what Americans might think are odd institutions and traditions in France, Britain, Canada, Mexico, and elsewhere, these are all prosperous nations. The systems work in the context of each nation, even if the details could not work in some others.
Historical Examples
Historically, the concept of Separation of Powers dates back as far as ancient Greece. The concepts were refined by contemporaries of the Framers, and those refinements influenced the establishment of the three branches in the Constitution.
Aristotle favored a mixed government composed of monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy, seeing none as ideal, but a mix of the three useful by combining the best aspects of each. In his 1656 Oceana, James Harrington brought these ideas up-to-date and proposed systems based on the separation of power. John Locke, in his 1690 Civil Government, second treatise, separated the powers into an executive and a legislature. Montesquieu's 1748 Spirit of the Laws expanded on Locke, adding a judiciary. The framers of the Constitution took all of these ideas and converted the theories into practical applications.
When discussing Separation of Power, is it helpful to contrast the American System to the governments of other nations. This list below is far from a representative sample of nations or systems. The United States, Britain, France, Canada, and Mexico are actually more similar than they are different, especially when the whole range of nations is taken into account. However, sometimes the smaller differences between similar systems can be interesting and illustrative. It is left to the reader to conduct studies of more disparate systems.
The British Example
The British Parliamentary system works like this: There are two houses of the legislature. The upper house, the House of Lords, has traditionally consisted of the nobility of Britain: dukes, earls, viscounts, barons, and bishops. As of 2005, the very existence of the House of Lords is in question. There are some calling for its abolition, but a combination elected/lifetime appointment system seems more likely. A popular proposal calls for 80% of the body to be elected and the name to change to the "Second Chamber." In 1999, the House of Lords had over 1300 members. Today, there are just over 700 members. The House of Lords serves a judicial function as a court of final appeal, but as a legislative body, is widely regarded as ineffectual. It can delay passage of bills issued by the lower house, though it cannot veto them.
The lower house, the House of Commons, consists of MPs (Members of Parliament) elected from one of 646 electoral districts. In the Commons, majority rules. The majority party makes all the laws. The minority has little voice. The Prime Minister, Britain's closest approximation of the American President, is an MP chosen by the majority. The judiciary has no power of review as in the U.S. Since Britain has no formal, written constitution, no law can be unconstitutional.
The head of state, analogous still with the American President, is the monarch (King or Queen). The monarch must approve of all bills, though the process today is little more than a rubber stamp. The Speaker of the House of Commons, elected by the House, acts as the referee in debate between the majority and the minority. The MPs in the House of Commons sit for five years, or until the monarch (at the Prime Minister's behest) dissolves Parliament and calls for new elections. The Prime Minister also heads the Cabinet.
In Britain, the majority party in the House of Commons holds all of the power. The judiciary has no power of review. The House of Lords holds little more than delaying powers. By tradition, the monarch does not veto bills passed by the Parliament. And the de facto head of state, the Prime Minister, is a member of the Commons.
The French Example
In France, the President is elected for five year terms by the people to a powerful position. The President can, and has, dissolve Parliament and call for new elections. The President appoints the Prime Minister. Together, the President and Prime Minister head the executive branch. The President does not have veto power over legislation, but can ask Parliament to reconsider a bill. The Prime Minister heads The Government, akin to the American Cabinet. Most bills passed into law originate with the Government. The President presides over the Cabinet, and has vast emergency powers. The French President, de jure does not have many powers, but because of the French election system, he usually has great popular support and is able to leverage that into political power. When the President's party holds power in the legislature, he is quite powerful, but it is quite diminished when the legislature is not controlled by his party.
The Prime Minister, chosen by the President from the majority party in the National Assembly (the lower house), has power that varies in direct correlation to that of the President. The Prime Minister chooses the members of the Government and is head of the military and the civil service. Deputies of the Assembly are elected by the people for five year terms. There are currently 577 deputies. The Assembly can vote to dissolve the Government, but in reality, such a move is unlikely.
The Senate, the upper house, is more powerful than the House of Lords in Britain, but not by much. Senators are elected by the various local officials from across the country to six year terms. There are currently 321 senators.
There is a written French Constitution. Laws, after passage but before enactment, can be reviewed by the Constitutional Council. Review is either requested (for most laws) or mandatory (for laws affecting the Constitution). Its nine members consist of three appointed by the Government, three by the Assembly, and three by the Senate. The Council is designed almost like the U.S. Supreme Court, but it has little of the power of that court.
For the French, the majority of the power lies in the hands of the Government. If the President is of the same party as the Government, he can also yield considerable power. The Assembly is highly limited to legislate on topics specifically spelled out in the Constitution; the Senate has far less power than the Assembly. The Constitutional Council has not proven to be the force in French government that it appears to have been designed to be.
The Canadian Example
Canada was a subject of Britain for several centuries, and its system has many similarities with the British system. Until 1982, Canada did not have full control over its own constitution. Prior to 1931, the British Parliament could still legislate for Canada, but in 1931, much of that control was passed to the Canadians. More control passed in 1949, but full control was not gained until 1982, when the Constitution Act of 1982 gave Canada full control over its own constitution. Officially, the monarch of Canada (also the monarch of the United Kingdom) remains the Canadian head of state and is represented in governmental affairs by a governor-general. De facto, however, the monarch has no real control of any kind over Canada. In an interesting circular system repeated throughout the former British commonwealth, the governor-general is "recommended" to the monarch by the Canadian Prime Minister and the governor-general in turn de jure appoints the Prime Minister from the members of the House of Commons.
Canada is a federal system akin to that of the United States, with each of its ten provinces having a great deal of control over internal policy. Canada's three territories have less autonomy. Canadian federalism differs from American federalism, however, in that the provinces have specific powers reserved to them and all other powers belong to the federal government. The federal government has veto power over all provincial law-making. The branches of government are a mix of the British and American systems. The legislature is parliamentary and bicameral, split between the House of Commons and the Senate. The members of the Senate are recommended by the House of Commons and appointed by the governor-general. Appointment is for life or until age 75. There are currently 105 members. Members of the House of Commons are elected by the people; elections must be held at least once each five years. There are currently 308 members. The executive is composed of a Prime Minister and a cabinet.
A privy council is in place that works to supplement and support the Prime Minister and the cabinet. The members of the council include the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; the staff is comprised of career public servants, ensuring continuity even when there is a change in the leadership party in the parliament. The Privy Council Office is separate and distinct from the Prime Minister's Office. The former is concerned with the efficient running of the government and is generally considered non-partisan. The latter is completely partisan and is concerned with the advancement of the platform of the Prime Minister and the ruling party.
The judiciary is more powerful in Canada, much like that of the United States; the Supreme Court has nine members which serve for life or until age 75. Each province has its own judicial system as well; these provincial courts work at the lowest level in the system, with the Supreme Court at the highest level and with superior courts in between. Each province has a Court of Appeal, and in all cases, the Supreme Court is a final court of appeal. The federal courts also act as the sole courts of Canada's three territories. The constitution allows the Supreme Court to be used as an advisory court, issuing opinions on the constitutionality of laws without any actual dispute needing to be in play.
The Mexican Example
Mexico has had a tumultuous history, as it has had to deal with foreign invaders, poverty, and its strong neighbor to the north. What Mexico has for a political system has evolved with all of these influences. Its current constitution has been in force since 1917 and it has been amended at least 450 times since its enactment. The Constitution is divided into two major parts, the Individual Guarantees and the definition of the structure of the government. One notable feature of the Guarantees is that the freedoms enumerated therein are reserved "by any individual," regardless of citizenship or status. The Mexican government is explicitly divided into the same three branches as the United States, legislative, executive, and judicial. It is a federal republic like its North American neighbors, with 31 states dividing the varied geography, plus one Federal District. Like U.S. states and Canadian provinces, much of the everyday law is left to the Mexican states' jurisdiction.
The Mexican legislature, the General Congress, is bicameral and divided between a 128-member Senate and a 500-member Chamber of Deputies. The members of the Chamber are elected every three years. 300 members are elected in an at-large election where seats are distributed to parties on a national proportional basis. The remaining 200 are allocated to the states in proportion to their population. Deputies cannot serve more than one term in succession.
Senators are elected every six years. Each state has four Senators as does the Federal District. Two of the four are allocated to the majority political party; a third is allocated to the next highest minority party; the fourth is selected based on proportional representation. Senators may not be reelected to a seat.
Certain subjects are the exclusive domain of one house of the Congress; others must be agreed to by both houses. Legislation may be introduced by any member of Congress, the President, or a state legislature. A Permanent Committee, comprised of 15 Deputies and 14 Senators, meets when the Congress is in recess.
The Mexican executive is the President, elected to a single six-year term. The President is directly elected by the people. In the case of disability, the Congress can designate an interim President and call for new elections. The President is the head of state and head of government. Constitutionally, he is held to the will of the Congress - he cannot leave the country, for example, without the permission of the Congress.
The judicial system of Mexico divides the national courts into four hierarchical parts. At the top is the Supreme Court of Justice, followed by the Electoral Tribunal, Circuit Courts, and District Courts. The Supreme Court is made up of eleven Ministers; the Court can operate en banc (as a whole) or in divisions of five ministers. The Chief Minister is elected every four years by the ministers from within the Court; no one person can be immediately reelected to the Chief position. Ministers are appointed to the Court for 15 year terms. The federal courts act as courts of appeal for the state courts, and act as courts of appeal for themselves according to the previously noted hierarchy. Only through special rulings known as jurisprudencias can the decision of a higher court become legally binding on all lower courts.
The American constitutional system includes a notion known as the Separation of Powers. In this system, several branches of government are created and power is shared between them. At the same time, the powers of one branch can be challenged by another branch. This is what the system of checks and balances is all about.
There are three branches in the United States government as established by the Constitution. First, the Legislative branch makes the law. Second, the Executive branch executes the law. Last, the Judicial branch interprets the law. Each branch has an effect on the other.
Legislative Branch
Checks on the Executive
Impeachment power (House)
Trial of impeachments (Senate)
Selection of the President (House) and Vice President (Senate) in the case of no majority of electoral votes
May override Presidential vetoes
Senate approves departmental appointments
Senate approves treaties and ambassadors
Approval of replacement Vice President
Power to declare war
Power to enact taxes and allocate funds
President must, from time-to-time, deliver a State of the Union address
Checks on the Judiciary
Senate approves federal judges
Impeachment power (House)
Trial of impeachments (Senate)
Power to initiate constitutional amendments
Power to set courts inferior to the Supreme Court
Power to set jurisdiction of courts
Power to alter the size of the Supreme Court
Checks on the Legislature - because it is bicameral, the Legislative branch has a degree of self-checking.
Bills must be passed by both houses of Congress
House must originate revenue bills
Neither house may adjourn for more than three days without the consent of the other house
All journals are to be published
Executive Branch
Checks on the Legislature
Veto power
Vice President is President of the Senate
Commander in chief of the military
Recess appointments
Emergency calling into session of one or both houses of Congress
May force adjournment when both houses cannot agree on adjournment
Compensation cannot be diminished
Checks on the Judiciary
Power to appoint judges
Pardon power
Checks on the Executive
Vice President and Cabinet can vote that the President is unable to discharge his duties
Judicial Branch
Checks on the Legislature
Judicial review
Seats are held on good behavior
Compensation cannot be diminished
Checks on the Executive
Judicial review
Chief Justice sits as President of the Senate during presidential impeachment
Wow, we must actually appreciate the division of power in our country!
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Hmm. different thing to different folk I guess ?
that was along post to read Water RTBH
, although I can respect just about all your views ,
but I question Patriotism Per se , "being gratefull ", is a bit like Kiss my ass , I am doing OK ,
the fact you could, in the grand order of things been born an Iraqi , Russian ,afganistani, etc. name your worse fear and you could have been born it ,
Patriotism ?
comes about 3 rd in my list ,
1st , is to the world wide brotherhood of man ,
2nd , to your God ,(, maybe that should been the first ? ) ?
then at 3rd place the place you was lucky enough for the stork to land at ,
Truly no man or place is a island , as the past turmoil has proved , maybe for the first time in history ?
Patriotism to a piece of Dirt sounded by a vast ocean , is not logical , your forefathers swore loyalty to other lands at one time , then forgot and moved on ,
but loyalty to the American spirit ,I can understand , but it also applies to other nations to the same degree ,
many people have been patriotic to what they saw as the only true land and ultimately failed , Roman empire ,Brit empire , and even Hitlers empire etc, all have finally failed,
Just my thoughts on a complex issue ..................maybe I need to see a shrink
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Patriotism is nothing more than a plot to allow the people to assume the position of " feeling " so they can be manipulated into having there heartstrings pulled from all directions all the while there pocket books are being emptied by " military spending ".
Call it what you want, place as much detail, and obstruction around the facts as well. History ? It's being re written everyday for the sake of more wars.
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Patriotism is a person who supports loves his country. Nothing more or less. It is a spirit of love and pride.
I still say those who have had prior military are less confused about it than others.
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"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
I have read a lot of things from Jefferson but I'm not entirely in agreement on this one.
It raises the question should government control business in any way ?
Once government does regulate business & ours does then that opens any control they deem necessary.
Now in theory you might think you oppose this.
Let's start with loan sharking.Do you want the free exercise of that industry although credit card companies & pay day loan companies come close.
Should I as an individual be able to "the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it" to make loans at 100% per day? Or do you want the government to regulate me where I can't?
Another example if I had a sweat shop & want to put children to work with no benefits & low pay because it would be cheaper.To maximise the fruits should I be able to do that or do you want the government to have controls on this?
The precedents in the examples are what allows the government to take from one to give to another.If you want regulation in some areas then you will have them in other areas.
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Quote from: waterRTBH on November 15, 2008, 06:01:09 PM
"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
" I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it."
-- Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1776
I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit."
-- President Grover Cleveland vetoing a bill for charity relief (18 Congressional Record 1875 [1877]
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High hopes is all he has if he thinks that will work.
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