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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2009, 01:57:08 AM »

I believe most of you have gone off the point. We are not looking at if Obama is a Muslim, F#@&s up the economy, doesn't bring the troops home or is a backstabber to his pastor, what this event is about is just a few peaceful, and I insist, they are peaceful, Muslims going up a hill that is traditionally associated with the government. I believe denying the organizers that right for religious reasons would be a violation of human rights. The reason why it happens now and not with a previous administration is, as Snopes pointed out, Obama has been more open to the Muslim world than his predecessors. It is possible to be opposed to such a policy of openness to religions whose religious leader doesn't bear the same name as yours, but I can hardly see how it could be considered anything other than xenophobia.

When I read the first post and the related sites, I planned on answering about the same answer as AlucardHS but he got there faster (and took the heat), but really, my first reaction on reading that was "Whoa! That's cool!". Just try to take into account that the fact that this event is organized is considered a good thing by myself and plenty of other people I am sure. If you disagree with me, I suggest you check your reasons for such a disagreement and, excluding a conspiracy theory about Islam taking over the white house (by praying somehow), I think you will find that they are motivated by intolerance. If there are such other reasons, I would like to hear them, but I might not be able to respond for a while, due to other preoccupations in RL (homework mostly).
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2009, 05:18:57 AM »

What was said about "national religon" is true, along with an official language.  If this country had an official language it would be slightly easier to prevent illegal immigration.  After all  if the national language was English/American it would be possible to make all signs and paperwork in English/American only.  English/American would be the only mandatory language taught in public schools.  This will not happen because the government is afraid of alienating people.

Myself I'm a firm believer that Obama is a Muslim and not Christian.  Otherwise why would he be trying so hard to reach out to the Muslim community harder than any other president.  Why would he apologize to Muslim community for the apparent atrocity's commited by the USA.  You don't remember CNN filming oversea's with all the cheering for Muslim and non-Muslim for September 11, 2001?  Where is their apology.  We will never get one because they attacked in Allah's name.

I could care less the religon of the president in all honesty.  But when you try to make piece with an estremist portion of a religon that seems to know nothing about peace and just want to kill anyone that does not believe in Islam law is just a waste of time and money.  Yes there are peaceful Muslim's out there and it is a shame that they are getting caught up in this.

Also the Holy Bible does preach that there is only one god.  No where does it say anything about killing those that don't believe.  It preaches conversion.  Granted people have been killed for not converting to the Christian religon.  For the most part not in our recent history, at least not on the scale that Muslim extremists are still doing this.  Not to mention them not caring for human rights.  And I'm talking about those that live by the Islam law of stoning young women for kissing a man out of wedlock or someone other than who "dad" wants.  And they do this in every country they are in.  Some have no regard for the countries law just their Islam law which, sorry to say, is extremely outdated.

As said above, if born here no matter color a person should be proud to say they are American.  Not African-American, Amerasian, Hispanic-American, etc.  But this is how the governmetn has continued to segregate everyone.  Hell to be honest a lot of "African-American don't even know what village in Africa their ancestors came from.  It's just another excuse to not assimilate into the melting pot of the world.  Not saying they should not be proud of where they come from but when there is a Small Business Bureau and an African-American Small Business Bureau there is a problem.  They can go to both but I can only go to one.  If there was a Caucasian Small Business Bureau the ACLU and Johny Cochran would be all over it "Like white on Rice"
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2009, 05:40:39 AM »

 Agian although there are many good points taken from different aspects, my thoughts are this occasion is nothing of what is being discussed, at all.

 From where I stand with what I believe I know of how, and why !,  these types of gatherings are organized and by the whom,

 This is nothing more then  photo op, as many muslims as can fill that area to be filmed, because any picture of people no matter who it is n front of that building in Washington, can be shown around the world, and translated into anything because f the language barrier . So this could to some, look as if the powers that be , have succumb to whoever might be "protesting, chanting praying" .

 There's nothing wrong with any religion or organization marching on Washington. That is how we have shown our opinions for a couple centuries.

 What is wrong here is that where in the media do you find h=this, and considering what the media has put up there and made of the muslim religion, "they " didn't want any problems, so "they" the media, forewarned no one. Simple as that. So we can all make anything out of it that we want, doesn't make myself correct either, but it always ends up in hate. Anyone else see that ?  Thought not.
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2009, 09:12:49 AM »

I keep forgetting Canada is passive to everything. So take them to your country and bed, insure, educate, and feed them Le_Murphant. We have enough problems of our own. You seem to want to defend all but the majority.  Laughing

And yes I am an American with a proud Irish background. And I have an American birth certificate that I am not afraid to show to anyone, I even shared it with Uncle Sam to join the military. But I am not an "Irish American"! ! ! I have a friend who is 'black' and proud of it. But he agrees hes an American. He also did his duty in the military for his country. African american is ignorant and keeping the black people down. If only they could wake up and see it.  Rolling Eyes

I have to go along pretty strongly with wknight40 statements. If they want to make a stand, and not be considered Insurgents by race, then why do they not attack the enemy also. Like we keep our KKK in order. Yes they exist, but do we allow them to go around killing and maiming in the name of Allah? Or be inhuman to whom ever they please in the name of Allah?

So if the 'peaceful' Muslims want peace they should join in and purify their religion and race of the trouble they receive world wide. They should remove the infidels that are wreakiing havoc all over the globe. Its not just in the US, its all over the world.

And I will always attack what ever Obama has his hand in, 99% of the time I get screwed for every pen stroke he takes. Until he is out of office.

What is recession?
When your neighbor loses his job.

What is depression?
When you lose your job.

What is recovery?
When Obama loses his job.
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2009, 10:13:24 AM »

the problem is...the permit for this gathering was issued back in july...this is not just a march on washington...this is a social gathering...same as the christian gathering that was denied the permit to do so...washington doesn't stop peaceful protesters from marching up on the capitol...that's not what this is...

oh and how about we not forget about the man that was allowed and got away with beheading his wife in a public place under sharia law because she was divorcing him

we want this S#!t to be allowed in our country??...i think not
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2009, 11:21:40 AM »

I didn't find where Obama had denied a Christian service on Capitol Hill.He probably did.
I did find these with some Googling.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nVxwb58XfZA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/nVxwb58XfZA</a>

Obama made a recent speech, a cross and a Christian symbol for Jesus had to be covered first.
http://www.cnsnews.com/PUBLIC/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=46667

The college records Obama releases still concern me.
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/lawyer-threatened-with-monetary-sanctions-for-subpoenaing-obamas-college-records/

 I'm not even going to get into the "COB" of Obama.

Heres' one :
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/05/04/national-day-of-prayer-task-force-knocks-obama-white-house.html
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2009, 12:06:14 PM »

YES!! that's the one...i knew i didn't have my facts exactly right...turns out i had them all wrong...but yes they were denied because of the reference to God in the name of the rally...it's posted in here somewhere...and i had the place wrong...i maybe mixed up with the other one...but still makes my point

and this is a show that's been happening for so many years...shame...

now...lemme say welcome back sequoia...where have you been??...i've been asking around...cuz i was getting worried...
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2009, 02:32:46 PM »

Yes, where the heck have you been Sequoia? Been missing you around these parts.
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2009, 03:17:51 PM »

I found this intereting.  Twisted Evil

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Infidel is anyone who is hated by Jihadists, for any reason.

American, Israeli.
French, Indian, or English.
To a true Jihadi
that’s an Infidel Death Wish.

Christian, Buddhist,
Hindu, Pagan, Jew
You’re a marked Infidel
with Jihadis coming for you.

If you like bacon or pork,
or wear a tight skirt
Red pump shoes or
play football in the dirt

Whether you’re a woman or man
If you’re bisexual or gay
Jihadis would hang you
‘Cause that’s an Infidel way

If you believe that science and art
Lead to understanding and beauty
That peace, love and fellowship
Are the ideals of humanity

Or if a Saturday night
Is just meant to have fun
If you see a Jihadi
Be ready to fight and not run

To all you in good company here
Because Infidels kick Jihadi ass.
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2009, 04:33:35 PM »

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/FedCrimes/Story?id=4988588&page=1

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3704692,00.html

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kouri/060904

http://www.newswithviews.com/Kouri/jim3.htm

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071110/COLUMNIST14/711100385

Here are a few stories about al qaeda.  For the most part they are extremist Muslim's for those that did not know.  Can we as American's tell before they do something rash?  Chances are "No Way in Hell" and chance's for a non-extremist Muslim to tell the differance also is slim.  What other religion in this world sends out "sleeper cells" of people to wreak havoc on those that do not believe in what they do.  Also these Muslim extremists have training camps right here in our back yards.  They are on state owned and privately owned property both legally and illegally to train how to kill non Muslim's.  They do not care if they are women, children, babies, or nonmilitary targets.  Yes our missiles have hit schools, churches, hospitals but they were not the target.  The US does not target these buildings unless it is proven to be an enemy hold out and everything is done to protect the noncombatant.  Muslim extremists do not care.  And out of the 50,000 expected to show up in DC according to the link in the original post you cannot tell me there will not be any Muslim extremists there.

Either way we have a non-Christian president that sympathizes with Muslim's, which is not bad if he can keep the extremist's out of the way.
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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2009, 05:22:33 PM »

And out of the 50,000 expected to show up in DC according to the link in the original post you cannot tell me there will not be any Muslim extremists there.
Yes, you are probably right, some of the Muslim there might hold radical views, but I doubt that most of these extremists would be very happy to go peacefully pray in front of the seat of government of their sworn enemy. They might think of it as defiance, but it would be mainly in their heads. Also, exploding a bomb there would just hurt their cause abroad since they would be considered killers of Musilm people by those who once supported them.

Tommy, stop silencing me because of my origin. I've told you before, the fact that I am typing from some IP in Canada does not mean that I represent that country nor that I embrace most of the views of either its population or its government. While I don't live in the US, I have read and talked quite a bit about its culture and I think my opinion is as relevant as anyone's. If it's just a question of a county on an official document that bugs you, I'l send you a scan of my US passport! Okay, I won't do that, it would be a stupid thing to do, but I wish I could.

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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2009, 05:36:14 PM »

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Also, exploding a bomb there would just hurt their cause abroad since they would be considered killers of Musilm people by those who once supported them.
So is that why they are killing Muslims in the middle east with suicide bombs everyday?
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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2009, 05:47:42 PM »

They are killing Muslim's that are associating with the USA which then makes them infidels and that makes it alright.  So if one of these radicals were to set a bomb of at this gathering they would be killing a bunch of Muslim's that are associated with the infidel American's so it would be justified in their eyes.
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