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« on: March 11, 2005, 03:45:15 PM »

I thought Starband would be about the same as DirecWay speed wise. I read a thing on a site and it said that the most you'll get is like 70 or so KiloBYTES a second. That doesn't sound too great for 60+ a month.

What are typical speeds for you guys? and are there any starband tweaks like the SatSpeed for DirecWay?
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2005, 05:07:43 PM »

I looked in the testmy.net "host" database

starband.net Download Average = 488 Kbps :: 60 kB/sec
starband.net Upload Average     = 60 Kbps :: 7 kB/s

Reviews:
"I ordered the business package, which was 1.5 down/760 UP. I have been getting about 1100 up and 1200-1500 down." - AT $125 PER MONTH

"Speeds have hovered around 450/90. Not amazing, but livable. With no other broadband options available, this is the best way to ride" - AT $69 PER MONTH

"The fastest connection (for up) on their site that I could find is 256Kbps."

You asked how others compare: I have adelphia 4000/430 (or so) I dont know the price because I have a cable TV & cable internet deal at less then $60 a month I think...
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Example of a Hyperplane: a three dimensional plane in the fourth dimension.
RoadRunner advertised = (10Mb?/1Mb?)  Cap at = (10.24Mb/1.024Mb) Best = (9808kb/976kb)  Avg. = (8000+kb/900+kb)
Internet caps found at http://192.168.100.1/diagnostics_page.html Terayon modem password "icu4at!"
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2005, 06:43:06 PM »

yeah, I can't get DSL or Cable where I live. I am not so worried about upload speeds, more download. I was hoping for 100kB/s+ speeds, but I guess 60-70 would be fine.

Any Starband tweaks though?
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2005, 02:14:34 PM »

If Starband is a satellite connection then you will have to ask one of the regulars.  It gets complicated with satellite.  The tweek setup is different, thats all I know.
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The fastest path on a race track is one where you turn the least.
Example of a Hyperplane: a three dimensional plane in the fourth dimension.
RoadRunner advertised = (10Mb?/1Mb?)  Cap at = (10.24Mb/1.024Mb) Best = (9808kb/976kb)  Avg. = (8000+kb/900+kb)
Internet caps found at http://192.168.100.1/diagnostics_page.html Terayon modem password "icu4at!"
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2005, 08:37:29 PM »

You don't really know what the actual throughput is.
Since december starband which is now spacenet has been redirecting all speedtest site requests  inclucing this one through a proxy server located in California.
Speed tests show 800 to 1200 Kbps down but only on the speed test sites.
Performance on all other websites is worse than 26.4 K dial up.

Port 119 is throttled @ 2.8 K.

Starband just went bankrupt... again.
They didn't have the cash to pay their lease payments for transponders on AMC 4.
It has been acquired by Spacennet.

What happens next is anyone's guess.

I am thinking I made a huge mistake buying their $900.00 481 modem system 10 months ago.

All users have been transfered over to three transponders on T 7 effectively overloading all of them to the point where performance is seriously degraded.

Those who do not have a clear line of sight to T 7 are allowed to remain on AMC 4 but according to them it will be at severely degraded performance. and for how long is a mystery.

I do not recommend going with SB/ Spacenet right now as too many things are " up In the air".
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2005, 09:07:49 PM »

Hmm...

I am in California, since they redirect everthing over here would I get better speeds?
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2005, 08:16:16 AM »

Vern Is absolutely right, stay away.  If there was any other option I would switch immediately.  Starband is without a doubt the worst customer service company I've ever dealt with.   

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2005, 02:20:46 PM »

I've never been a big reliant on Customer Service. Plus, I've tried calling twice and both times I've had a nice guy help me out. They spoke english without an accent and it was easy to understand them.

but as I was saying, Once I have the satellite I won't be contacting them at all (most likely). I'm a pretty smart guy when it comes to computers and I can figure stuff out on my own.

I just want my speeds to be decent.
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2005, 02:37:46 PM »

mynameisdan, I take it you are not a Starband Customer.  If you were you wouldn't be so self-assured.  The issues Starband creates is beyond subscriber control. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2005, 09:48:29 PM »

I just want my speeds to be decent.

You won't see that on Spacenet.

Just 5 minutes ago it took 4 minutes to download 17 headers with no attachments on the news server.
And then another 7 minutes to open the headers and read the text messages.


All major websites are loading at a snail's pace.

I am giving serious consideration to not paying my bill this month or any other month.
It's really difficult justifying paying almost $100.00 for a month of service that isn't any better than my 10.95 per month people pc dial up account.
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2005, 12:34:49 PM »

Starband migration to T7 was supposed to be completed last weekend and the speeds of my system are still way down (on T7) to the point where it averages 160-230 Kbps.  If you try to use newsgroups, even with your own news server, they have throttled back all NNTP addresses so you effectively get about 10-25 Kbps on those type of connections.  They stated they have acquired more space on T7 (we're a dealer so this info came thru a dealer support person) and would activate that capability and "balance the load" but has yet  to present a change in speed.  a few weeks ago we were running consistently over 500 and the newsserver was sunning at a slightly slower speed.  Speed slows even further if you use the Starband news server. If they get the speeds back up I've never had a problem with tech support...at least it's in English as opposed to DirecWay...
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2005, 07:31:52 PM »

I get a chucklle when I read comments like "stay away" with no details to back it up. It all depends upon what your options are and if you have none besides dial-up. Also, the exact same thing can be said about DirecWay according to some that aren't happy either. Bottom line is you must know what you are getting going into it and not expect it to be something it's not. Plus, a LOT depends upon the package you have. Both Starband and DirecWay have better performance with their most expensive package. Bottom line is that just like everything else you pay for what you get. Granted, satellite ISP is at least 3X what you would pay for a similar DSL/Cable connection. However even paying the high-end of $150/month with no contract with Starband is still a much more viable option than a T1. For example, my ONLY choices here are dial-up, satellite or T1. A fractioned 256 T1 costs $800 per month from AT&T which was the cheapest contract offer I could get. Sprint is the ONLY other service that would run a T1 for me and their contract was not as good as AT&T.

My point is, all of this boils down to what your options are and what would be reasonable in comparison to it. For me, even $150-200 would be cheap compared to a T1 option. Others may have other choices, but you must do your own research to find out exactly what your limitations are and get CONTRACT BIDS if considering T1.

Many users are VERY happy with their Starband 484 service level. It would seem from the feedback of the users I know that have it, this is the way to go. It has NO FAP and the speeds are much better than their other packages due to it being a higher tier of service and pricing.

Here is some 484 examples:

::::::::::.. Download Stats ..::::::::::
Connection is:: 1003 Kbps about 1 Mbps (tested with 1496 KB)
Download Speed is:: 122 kB/s
Tested From:: »www.testmy.net/
Test Time:: Sun Feb 6 11:11:32 EST 2005
Bottom Line:: 18X faster than 56K 1MB download in 8.39 sec
Validation Link:: »testmy.net/id-0LUA6IO7P

::::::::::.. Upload Stats ..::::::::::
Connection is:: 198 Kbps about 0.2 Mbps (tested with 2992 KB)
Upload Speed is:: 24 kB/s
Tested From:: »www.testmy.net/
Test Time:: Sun Feb 6 11:14:27 EST 2005
Bottom Line:: 4X faster than 56K 1MB upload in 42.67 sec
Validation Link:: »testmy.net/id-0TWDP4BVJ


Until Wild Blue becomes an actual viable product on the market, I would strongly consider the 484 due to the results most are getting. Once Wild Blue takes off, it will still remain to be seen how service compares but things could be interesting if they can make their claims a reality.
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2005, 07:50:28 PM »

So Jeffery, after all of that, which system do you have and what bird and transponder are you on?

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2005, 09:05:25 PM »

I get a chucklle when I read comments like "stay away" with no details to back it up. It all depends upon what your options are and if you have none besides dial-up. Also, the exact same thing can be said about DirecWay according to some that aren't happy either. Bottom line is you must know what you are getting going into it and not expect it to be something it's not. Plus, a LOT depends upon the package you have. Both Starband and DirecWay have better performance with their most expensive package. Bottom line is that just like everything else you pay for what you get. Granted, satellite ISP is at least 3X what you would pay for a similar DSL/Cable connection. However even paying the high-end of $150/month with no contract with Starband is still a much more viable option than a T1. For example, my ONLY choices here are dial-up, satellite or T1. A fractioned 256 T1 costs $800 per month from AT&T which was the cheapest contract offer I could get. Sprint is the ONLY other service that would run a T1 for me and their contract was not as good as AT&T.

My point is, all of this boils down to what your options are and what would be reasonable in comparison to it. For me, even $150-200 would be cheap compared to a T1 option. Others may have other choices, but you must do your own research to find out exactly what your limitations are and get CONTRACT BIDS if considering T1.

Many users are VERY happy with their Starband 484 service level. It would seem from the feedback of the users I know that have it, this is the way to go. It has NO FAP and the speeds are much better than their other packages due to it being a higher tier of service and pricing.

Here is some 484 examples:

::::::::::.. Download Stats ..::::::::::
Connection is:: 1003 Kbps about 1 Mbps (tested with 1496 KB)
Download Speed is:: 122 kB/s
Tested From:: »www.testmy.net/
Test Time:: Sun Feb 6 11:11:32 EST 2005
Bottom Line:: 18X faster than 56K 1MB download in 8.39 sec
Validation Link:: »testmy.net/id-0LUA6IO7P

::::::::::.. Upload Stats ..::::::::::
Connection is:: 198 Kbps about 0.2 Mbps (tested with 2992 KB)
Upload Speed is:: 24 kB/s
Tested From:: »www.testmy.net/
Test Time:: Sun Feb 6 11:14:27 EST 2005
Bottom Line:: 4X faster than 56K 1MB upload in 42.67 sec
Validation Link:: »testmy.net/id-0TWDP4BVJ


Until Wild Blue becomes an actual viable product on the market, I would strongly consider the 484 due to the results most are getting. Once Wild Blue takes off, it will still remain to be seen how service compares but things could be interesting if they can make their claims a reality.


Could you please post your upload and download score with validation links and host info.... Thanks!

I get this for 59.99/month lowest package DirecWay has, equipment $500....15 month contract.

::::::::::.. Download Stats ..::::::::::
Connection is:: 1004 Kbps about 1 Mbps (tested with 1496 kB)
Download Speed is:: 123 kB/s
Tested From:: http://www.testmy.net/
Test Time:: Thu Mar 24 05:46:38 EST 2005
Bottom Line:: 18X faster than 56K 1MB download in 8.33 sec
Diagnosis: Awesome! 20% + : 21.4 % faster than the average for host (direcpc.com)
Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-5PRIL0847

::::::::::.. Upload Stats ..::::::::::
Connection is:: 68 Kbps about 0.1 Mbps (tested with 97 kB)
Upload Speed is:: 8 kB/s
Tested From:: http://www.testmy.net/
Test Time:: Thu Mar 24 05:54:05 EST 2005
Bottom Line:: 1X faster than 56K 1MB upload in 128 sec
Diagnosis: Awesome! 20% + : 65.85 % faster than the average for host (direcpc.com)
Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-3QUA9ZNT5
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2005, 12:27:28 AM »

I get a chuckle every time I read comments made by people who "review" things they do not own and have absolutely no experience with.

Of course there are many instances on the net where business' are reviewed where shills from the company in question routinely makes posts singing the praises of the company.

By the way if it's details you want for back up; go read alt.starband.general.

There has not been a single positive post about SB there since before T 7 went missing in November.
Before November posts were running about 50 / 50 positive to negative.

As a SB user for more than 10 months my recommendation is still:

STAY AWAY!
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