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« Reply #90 on: June 25, 2005, 08:22:48 PM »

Got rid of teminal services, switched diskeeper to manual and checked out shmgrate in sys 32. It's there and listed as "windows nt user data migration tool" dated 8/4/2004


Well I must not be running multiple logons. I'm not really sure what that ensues. The switch thing I no nothing about. Oh BTW you may want to get an extra case or two  :haha: Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


Maybe explain these two items cause they might mean something once I start looking, maybe it's something I did and am not aware of. read read
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« Reply #91 on: June 25, 2005, 09:01:32 PM »

With XP, it comes as default to allow multiple logins and the capacity to switch users.  This leaves the other user(s) processes running and can bog a system down but allows fast switching of users.  Saw that the process for this funtion was running on your machine but since you aren't aware of multiple logons on your machine so just disregard it. (Some spyware/malware will install in individual logon profiles but may not be detected if the profile is password protected).

Hey, you';ve made Google:  Check out the 6th entry in the search results:  http://www.google.com/search?q=lsass.exe+objects&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
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« Reply #92 on: June 25, 2005, 09:11:15 PM »

Cool Exclamation Exclamation  I'll post this and then take a look. I checked around a little bit and noticed that I'm the only user in the user profiles section of my computer/properties/advanced/user profiles. It lists my name and that's about it. Oh, the 'type' is local

edit; boy you were'nt kidding. That sucker takes you right back to where we are now Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation I wonder how that happened. Hummmmmmmmmm

edit, edit; I forgot to tell, I finally go a reponse from MS a while ago. It's a new guy and he says "haven't heard a reply from you yet, if you have any other questions, blah blah,,,,,,,,,,,,, Well I turned right around and resent the same message that I sent on the 21st Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation They need to get on the same page in the same book..................
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« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2005, 09:25:25 PM »

Cool Exclamation Exclamation  I'll post this and then take a look. I checked around a little bit and noticed that I'm the only user in the user profiles section of my computer/properties/advanced/user profiles. It lists my name and that's about it. Oh, the 'type' is local

edit; boy you were'nt kidding. That sucker takes you right back to where we are now Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation I wonder how that happened. Hummmmmmmmmm
Cyclical  :haha: :haha: :haha:
Did you ever check your group membership under users and passwords?  Make sure you are in the Administrators group, if you haven't done it already.......

edit, edit; I forgot to tell, I finally go a reponse from MS a while ago. It's a new guy and he says "haven't heard a reply from you yet, if you have any other questions, blah blah,,,,,,,,,,,,, Well I turned right around and resent the same message that I sent on the 21st Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation They need to get on the same page in the same book..................

Instills a sense of security in me knowing MS is on top of it................... :haha: :haha:
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« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2005, 09:31:08 PM »

In the control panel/user accounts, it shows me only as the Administrator if that's where you mean
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« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2005, 09:43:46 PM »

In the control panel/user accounts, it shows me only as the Administrator if that's where you mean
Yup.  that's it.  Starting to run out of options quickly.  It seems to me that lsass is looking for something that either doesn't exist or you don't have access to.  By looking at the HJT logs and info, there are no entries that have missing files.  You could try changing your membership by adding yourself to the Users group, applying it, then removing it.  That might re-write your acl. 
Are you using a password to logon to your machine and have you changed any permissions settings on any directorys (Folders) on your system?
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« Reply #96 on: June 25, 2005, 09:47:27 PM »

Yup.  that's it.  Starting to run out of options quickly.  It seems to me that lsass is looking for something that either doesn't exist or you don't have access to.  By looking at the HJT logs and info, there are no entries that have missing files.  You could try changing your membership by adding yourself to the Users group, applying it, then removing it.  That might re-write your acl. 
Are you using a password to logon to your machine and have you changed any permissions settings on any directorys (Folders) on your system?

Edit; no, not using a password. And I don't think I have changed any permission settings that I'm aware of,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #97 on: June 25, 2005, 09:50:12 PM »

Edit; no, not using a password. And I don't think I have changed any permission settings that I'm aware of,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I have a strange feeling that it is something that doesn't exist Sad Sad Sad
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« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2005, 10:00:25 PM »

I have a strange feeling that it is something that doesn't exist Sad Sad Sad
Yeah, I think you may be right.  Did you try the group membership thing?  When you're assigned to a group giving you permissions for "objects", you're given a "key" which you present to the security system (lsass) for access to "objects" (files, directorys(folders), etc.) and it grants or denies access based on your "key".  I was thinking maybe your "key" got messed up since it's stored as a file on your computer. 
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« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2005, 10:04:09 PM »

Yeah, I think you may be right.  Did you try the group membership thing?  When you're assigned to a group giving you permissions for "objects", you're given a "key" which you present to the security system (lsass) for access to "objects" (files, directorys(folders), etc.) and it grants or denies access based on your "key".  I was thinking maybe your "key" got messed up since it's stored as a file on your computer. 

No,  what you just explained is all new to me, ie, objects and keys, etc. Where can I find this file????????????
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« Reply #100 on: June 25, 2005, 10:30:12 PM »

No, what you just explained is all new to me, ie, objects and keys, etc. Where can I find this file????????????
You don't want to find the file.  (The filename extension should be .acl if I remember correctly) .  NT based operating systems, of which XP is a member, has a whole security system involved with system, process, and disk access.  98, ME and below have none of this (that's worth mentioning).  The NTFS hard disk file system, which is what XP uses by default, allows for file and directory level protection through the use of permissions.  If you right mouse click on a folder and select the Properties option, there should be a security Tab.  This is where the permissions (access) to that directory is changed.  Your "Key" ,when checked by the security system, either grants you access to that directory or denies you access.  This is why it is possible you don't have permission to run a particular program or open a certain document file.  The Administrators group has access to most everything but there is an Administrator account that has special access that the Administrators group (of which your account is a member) doesn't have. 

BTW:  Did you assign a password when you first installed XP?  The true Administrator Account will not show unless you are in safe mode and if you didn't assign a password to it, go into safemode and add one (can be a security problem if no password exists, but just never lose it or forget it).

More than you ever probably wanted to know, and I'm sorry if this is confusing, but the case o' beer you mentioned earlier is kickin' in........ :haha: :haha: :haha: occasion14
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« Reply #101 on: June 25, 2005, 10:59:04 PM »

HA :haha: :haha: :haha: That explains why I just saw a news flash on TV that the east coast was running low on beer and there was a appeal to all western cities to ship some of their suds in that direction Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
Anyhow, I did not put in a password when XP was installed. I actually paid a guy (shop) to put in Home cause it would not go in for me cry cry Then when I put in Pro I didn't put one in either/ just now I checked user accts again and when  I clicked on me, administrator, one of my choices to do was to "create a password" not "change my password". I will check it out tomorrow when I boot up in safe mode. But for now, I have to sign off, I have a really bad headache, damndest thing, I only get them on the weekends!!!!!!!!! Bad puter chair maybe. Thank you so much, will yak again-Cheers-Dave wave wave wave
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« Reply #102 on: June 26, 2005, 12:40:29 PM »

cak46 I tried to PM you but it didn't show up in my outbox.So I thought I would put some of what I thought here so 99 RAT could look at it.
I believe you are on the right track with the passwords & keys.99RAT do you have the correct key for your XP Home? You may have to make sure that's in your OS then an administrator password for the XP Home.Then the right key for the XP Pro probably the same administrator password.I think both keys will be necessary because the XP Pro was an update type install.
That should get you permission to do what you want to  in your OS.
The problem started with 99RAT installing Silent Hunter 3 the result was a partial bad install.
Thats when the Lsass.exe error message started.Probably because the install was attempted with the user password so it didn't have permission to do a complete install for things that required administrator permission.The uninstall was probably tried the same way.So it was incomplete also.Parts of Silent Hunter 3 are probably still in 99RAT's OS.
What I would try once you're sure all keys are in the OS & you have administrator level access.
Is install Silent Hunter 3 with administrator password;reboot & then uninstall it;reboot.See if the error stops.If it doesn't try the install & uninstall 2 or 3 times(rebooting in between) to see if it will remove all of the Silent Hunter 3. If it does then you can install Silent Hunter 3 with the administrator password & see if the error shows back up.
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« Reply #103 on: June 26, 2005, 03:24:11 PM »

cak46 I tried to PM you but it didn't show up in my outbox.So I thought I would put some of what I thought here so 99 RAT could look at it.
I believe you are on the right track with the passwords & keys.99RAT do you have the correct key for your XP Home? You may have to make sure that's in your OS then an administrator password for the XP Home.Then the right key for the XP Pro probably the same administrator password.I think both keys will be necessary because the XP Pro was an update type install.
That should get you permission to do what you want to in your OS.
The problem started with 99RAT installing Silent Hunter 3 the result was a partial bad install.
Thats when the Lsass.exe error message started.Probably because the install was attempted with the user password so it didn't have permission to do a complete install for things that required administrator permission.The uninstall was probably tried the same way.So it was incomplete also.Parts of Silent Hunter 3 are probably still in 99RAT's OS.
What I would try once you're sure all keys are in the OS & you have administrator level access.
Is install Silent Hunter 3 with administrator password;reboot & then uninstall it;reboot.See if the error stops.If it doesn't try the install & uninstall 2 or 3 times(rebooting in between) to see if it will remove all of the Silent Hunter 3. If it does then you can install Silent Hunter 3 with the administrator password & see if the error shows back up.
Cholla, no, not the prduct activation key.  That is not what I'm talking about.  I'm using "key" as a metaphor because that best describes the acl that you are assigned when you logon to an NT based machine. (XP, NT4.0, Win2000).  ACL is Access Control List.  It is presented to the NT authority services (I believe) when you try to run, access, view, etc. anything on your nt-based machine.  I'm thinking if 69 Rat re-writes his ACL there might be an off chance that this is causing the access error.  Doubtful, but worth a try.  I would hold off on messing with silent hunter at this point so as not to potentially increase the existing issues further.  I would wait until most all other options have been attempted.  It is a good idea   Smile, but I'd wait at this point.  Have a few other things up my sleeve and am waiting for 69 Rat to return with results from other fix attempts.
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« Reply #104 on: June 26, 2005, 03:57:09 PM »

HI guys Exclamation Exclamation Hey cak46, I did do a couple things to no avail. I noticed that although I had Windows Update turned off that it was still listed as auto in the services/changed to manual/no results. Also, whenever I start TUT UltimateTroubleshooter I get a bright red warning that"Microsoft Windows Scripting Host not found. Hardware info will be limited in it's scope". I did also find some interesting items concerning SilentHunter III still in my system like a complete "Windows Installer Pakage" INSIDE my Postal 2 game folder Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation I also went to my registry and got rid of all things SilentHunter. Today I also decided to run Paul Ramsey's fix one more time and when I got into " safe mode with command Prompt" a screen came up with 2 choices-click on Administrator or Martine ( which of course, both are me) to get in. I have also checked "permissions" in the reg editor and I'm listed as "Administrators( Dave/Administrators)" and" "Martine( DAVE/Martine)" as having full control. I don't know why there are two like that. Also below these two entries are two other ones titled "Restricted" and "System". That's about it for now. Question Question

edit: Whoa, I just noticed something. You want me to go into safe mode and add a password (create a password) in my Administrator account? Does this mean I would have to log in every time I boot up? Question Question Question Cause I can if that would help
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