When Over Clocking at all, temperature is a big problem.

Well, what if I tried overclocking a Celeron 1.4ghrz to make it like a 1.5 or 1.6, with some standard old fan with heat sink, would that pose a problem for me, or will I need some supped up cooling system that makes my computer like, -3 C when I leave it on standby with the fans still running?


Thanks.

Yep, you will definitely need to look into purchasing better cooling & memory. Yes, memory plays an important roll in ocing. If you don't have quality sticks of ram, your overclocking will be cut short with constant rebooting at random. The higher you raise the FSB, the faster the memory will operate, and the higher the voltage will need to be for the memory to run at that speed. If the memory's latency is average (3-3-3-6), you'll run into problems. Latency values of 2-2-2-5 on name brand memory is what you need. Processor voltage may also need an increase to function properly at that speed.

Note: If you set the FSB too high and exit the bios, the system might not start as it won't comply with the settings. You will need to learn about clearing you cmos through the specified jumper. Your motherboard's manual will help you find this. If you don't have the manual, you should be able to download it from the manufacturer's website. Get familiar with your mainboard before ocing. Read reviews/ratings on it and see what kind of scores it received in the overclocking catagory in combination with your processor. You bios might not even support alot of key features that are essential to completing a successful overclock.

Hope this information helped you.

Yup, that was what I was wondering about, thanks... But how much more cooling will I need? a $1.00 case fan and another $1.00 cpu fan upgrade? 

 It depends on what your overclocking....I have a P4  (socket 755) 3.0 GHz Prescott......the cooler I choose was a Coolermaster Hyper 48.....cost about $43.99 on-line. I have about $25-$30 worth of high CFM case fans and  Nexus 205B 4 fan controller to keep it quiet when under normal usage ( fans turned down) or when the processor is cooking I can turn it up....

MY idle normal CPU Temp: 31-32 degrees C........87-89 degrees F
My normal Motherboard Temp: 28-29 degrees C......82-84 degrees F

My system is fast and cool, the cooler you can run it the longer things will last, especially under the stresses that overclocking can do to components that are not cooled properly.

I have my 3.0GHz running 3.6 GHz with a front side buss 900MHz and Memory clocked to 1074MHz!  under these conditions my system runs only (43-48 C) 110-120 degrees F!!.  ;)

Buzz

If you go to the above post you can get a list of components and a picture of my current rig......everything you see listed was purchased on-line from Zipzoomfly.com, Newegg.com, Directron.com......everything bought from zipzoomfly has second day free FedEx shipping!  Cost of the rig with new OS included $1,400.00-$1,500.00  Well worth it!!

Buzz 

Yep Buzz, your're right, lots of MB's are jumperless now days (well, near jumperless). Clearing the cmos has always been done with a jumper, along with basic functions like switching your audio between front & rear panels.

ASUS motherboards are ok for ocing, but the bios on their boards are not that oc friendly. The boards cut out at moderate oc's (like 230 FSB - AMD Athlon 64 Socket 754 Motherboard Roundup). ASUS boards are one of the best at factory speeds and are really hard to beat.

Asus is one of the more prestigious brands, with a large group of loyal followers. The price might be a bit higher, but for your money get a very feature rich, robust - and often overclockable - motherboard. The overclocking community is not their primary market, which is why their bios and tools are set for user friendliness, not overclocking. Generally their motherboards are tweaked right out of the box, which is great for people wanting the most out of their computer, but don't want to mess around with the settings. Mostly this doesn't leave much headroom for overclocking though.

If you really want to oc, nothing comes close to a DFI board. They are the most feature rich boards on the planet. No other board has come close to beating them in ocing, especially if you have a 64 Bit processor which eliminates the need of a Front Side Bus (FSB). (DFI LANParty UT nF3-250GB: Overclocker's Dream)

DFI (Design For Innovation) surprised the overclocking community by building one of the best overclocking NF2 motherboards, pushing Abit's NF7-S from the throne. Overclocking the NF3 chipset has proven to be easier, but no NF3 250GB motherboard has proven to be a definite winner. The DFI NF3 250GB continues this trend and delivers excellent overclockability once more, while keeping this motherboard interesting feature and price wise too. The big drawback is the time it took DFI to deliver this motherboard to the masses.

Abit boards are the 2nd best overclocking wise.

Your power supply is very important when ocing. 400 watts is normally enough to get the job done. 500 watts or better will give you more stability (power wise). 


My Rig & Temps - Built from the ground up:

Windows XP (Same copy since August 2001  )

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+ ClawHammer (1MB L2 Cache) (purchased January 2005 $314.00 - IO Software Local Store)

DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250GB (purchased Febuary 2005 $107.00 - GameVE Online)

ATI Radeon 9700 Pro 128MB (purchased January 2003 $297.00 - Forgot the online store  Time for another card.)

Kingston Technology 512MB x 2 Memory (purchased January 2004 $80.00 - IO Software Local Store - Need better memory)

Lite-On (DVD/CD-RW Combo) SOHC - 5232K (Purchased Febuary 2005 $40.00 - IO Software Local Store)

Lite-On (CD-RW) LTR-52327S (Purchased January 2003 $35.00 - IO Software Local Store)

Seagate Barracuda 250GB S-ATA RAID 7200RPM 8MB Cache (Purchased Febuary 2005 $170.00 - IO Software Local Store)

IBM Deskstar 40GB Ultra-ATA 100 7200RPM 2MB Cache (purchased January 2003 $114.00 - IO Software Local Store)

Logitech Z-5500 5.1 Digital (purchased Febaury 2005 $278.00 - Newegg Online)

Logisys Assembled Arcrylic Clear Case w/5 80mm case fans (purchased Febuary 2005 $68.00 - GameVE)

Thermaltake Sonic Tower Heatpipe Cooling (purchased April 2005 $52.99 - FrozenCPU) Gigantic unit! (Ditched the water cooling  )

Panaflo 120x38mm Ultra High Speed Cooling Fan - 115 CFM (purchased April 2005 $16.99 - FrozenCPU) Mounted on the Sonic Tower.

Logisys Glacier Aluminum & Arcrylic Moded Gaming 500 Watt Power Supply (purchased Febuary 2005 $39.00 - GameVE)

Idle Temps Below: Under full load, temperatures max out around 46 degrees celsius. Overclocked temps (cpu core 1.55v, chipset 1.70v, ram 2.90v) under full load reach around 50 degrees celsius.

I would have a field day building a system with 10 large.   Self control wouldn't be possible.

That's serious. I wonder how soon before something like that gets on the public market.  Sounds way better than water.

I actually read another article on that liquid metal cooling (will see if i can find it) and they were expecting it to cost lees than a regular typ WC unit.....will be sweet if thats how it turns out

You know they thought of that, it might use the same stuff in air blowers for your keyboard, haha.

organ_shifter I like that someone is working with a thermoelectric chip for cooling.I agree to bulky  for the front of the case.They probably should design one that requires a hole cut in the case.& a duct tube from the unit so it could be on the floor & to the side.I bet the fan noise on it would be too loud right in front of you.It should also have its own power supply with a temperature sensor to the pc case to control the cooling & fan.I haven't seen any of the cooling systems address condensation which to me is a major concern about this.
I probably haven't check this out since I'm not overclocking  .what about an exhaust duct to take heat out of the PC area down &about 6 feet to the side mabe with a suction fan box at the end.this could probably be home designed & would not use the PC power supply.

organ_shifter  I'm not a bad fabricator my skills come from years of automechanicing .I will do some web surfing to see if this  type of exhaust is already made.If its not someone who knows about patenting would probably steal the design before I could sell it.I really don't think it would be too hard to build.
I have a question why doesn't the air intake on a PC have an air filter? It seems like clean air entering the case would be important.I know it would require better fans because it would restrict airflow a little.

Check out the antec 640b case that I used...it has 2 (80)mm fans in front for intake, 1 (80)mm fan to cool the video card side intake, 1 (92)mm side intake fan with ducting that slides in and out with thumb screw to position it right next to you CPU cooler fan.....plus I use the coolermaster hyper 48 heat pipe extractor w/fan.....1(120)mm rear exhaust fan and an exhaust fan for the power sopply.....yes when things are turned up its kinda loud, but with the nexus vantec fan controller I can slow them down to an acceptable noise level!

Buzz