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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2005, 03:11:04 AM »

The liquid metal sounds expensive.Probably not afordable for a home PC.I think a refrigerated window type air conditioner could be modified to run some cold air into the PC case.The only problem I see with this is moisture condensation.Maybe a dehumidifier  for the PC room so the  air circulating  to the AC would have less moisture.
One other idea how about a PC inside of its own freezer(home type freezer self defrosting type) Unless you like cold then a walkin freezer for your PC room.
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2005, 03:28:39 AM »

I actually read another article on that liquid metal cooling (will see if i can find it) and they were expecting it to cost lees than a regular typ WC unit.....will be sweet if thats how it turns out Very Happy
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2005, 04:08:50 AM »

I don't like the water cooling idea much.I web surfed & found an interesting unit.It didn't have the price though .One of those contact for price.Nothing much covered the condensation effects of cooling the air entering your PC.Thats not a problem with fans but water.refrigerant,or electric(like the ice chests that work off your car battery current & don't use refrigerant)If anyone doesn't think about the moisture in the air look at the puddle your car leaves when you park after running the air conditioner then imagine blowing that into your PC.This unit still looked interesting.
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2005, 06:26:57 AM »

You know they thought of that, it might use the same stuff in air blowers for your keyboard, haha.

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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2005, 08:16:20 AM »

Remember this cooling system? If they only could have made it smaller so you wouldn't have to give up two of your drive bays. It mounts into one bay (lets say at the top), but blocks the bay directly below it. If you mount it in the bottom bay, you block the floppy (which wouldn't be so bad), but I still use mine for certain drivers that come on floppy disks.

Overall, this unit will keep your system temp way down and, in turn, drop the temp on your processor. The idea is there...just needs to be more compact.  Very Happy

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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2005, 08:47:55 AM »

organ_shifter I like that someone is working with a thermoelectric chip for cooling.I agree to bulky  for the front of the case.They probably should design one that requires a hole cut in the case.& a duct tube from the unit so it could be on the floor & to the side.I bet the fan noise on it would be too loud right in front of you.It should also have its own power supply with a temperature sensor to the pc case to control the cooling & fan.I haven't seen any of the cooling systems address condensation which to me is a major concern about this.
I probably haven't check this out since I'm not overclocking  .what about an exhaust duct to take heat out of the PC area down &about 6 feet to the side mabe with a suction fan box at the end.this could probably be home designed & would not use the PC power supply.
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2005, 09:05:07 AM »

Those are some great ideas cholla. If I were crafty enough, I would try to design a prototype of some sort for demonstration. Stopping condensation would be a big factor in the design. I definitely wouldn't want a big mess inside my case.  Very Happy Just thinking about dealing with a hazzard like that pisses me off!  Very Happy Go to plug in a new peripheral device and end up getting shocked to death.  Sad Not good!

If you are a good designer, you should invent something. You have all the ideas in your head already. Sketch a few out and sell the design for millions!  Very Happy
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2005, 09:35:28 AM »

organ_shifter  I'm not a bad fabricator my skills come from years of automechanicing .I will do some web surfing to see if this  type of exhaust is already made.If its not someone who knows about patenting would probably steal the design before I could sell it.I really don't think it would be too hard to build.
I have a question why doesn't the air intake on a PC have an air filter? It seems like clean air entering the case would be important.I know it would require better fans because it would restrict airflow a little.
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2005, 10:18:54 AM »

If you add a filter, the air inside will have less dust particles, but you're gonna need a better fan and time to replace/clean the filter. If you have a properly made case cleaning dust from the fans won't be so hard. For air cooling you'll want cool (as cool as possible) air entering the case, which can be a problem sometimes. My room for example gets really hot and that's why I can't OC at all, because everything getting 'cooled' by hot air. The solution would be an airco. Pricy thingy of course.

I know of self-made air ducts from and to the processor fan, to lower temperatures, but no commercial product just for that purpose. The NV Silencers for videocards do have an exhaust, so that idea is already patented I suppose.
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2005, 10:57:19 AM »

Check out the antec 640b case that I used...it has 2 (80)mm fans in front for intake, 1 (80)mm fan to cool the video card side intake, 1 (92)mm side intake fan with ducting that slides in and out with thumb screw to position it right next to you CPU cooler fan.....plus I use the coolermaster hyper 48 heat pipe extractor w/fan.....1(120)mm rear exhaust fan and an exhaust fan for the power sopply.....yes when things are turned up its kinda loud, but with the nexus vantec fan controller I can slow them down to an acceptable noise level!

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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2005, 02:29:26 PM »

I did some work on the vent system like I was thinking about.These are the link for the parts.
http://www.smarthome.com/3011.html 3016  This is the inline exhaust fan you would need to put a 115 volt power cord on it.Or if you put it through the ceiling into the attic probably wire it directly to the house wiring.This is a inside vent fan.(they do make some outside inline vent fans but the are 4 to 5 times more expensive.)
http://dwincorp.com/product_info.php?cPath=57&products_id=296&osCsid=d1d4a60d28cb52714f39104782bb8987  This is the link for the 4" insulated flex duct.
http://plumbing.gillroys.com/Heating/Dryer_vents_and_hose/Bathroom_Fan_Eave_Vent-s264954.html This is a vent I found that looks like the flat part facing the PC power supply could be screwed then sealed in front of the power supply fan & the flex duct clamped to the other side.
The reason for the fan being this far away is to take the noise & heat out of the PC room.If you use an outside fan you could go strait through the outside wall & the fan noise would be outside.
With the inside fan Cost would be under $100.00 with the outside fan about$225.00
I decided I would post the outside fan also.  http://www.fantech.net/fr.htm
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« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2005, 02:34:49 PM »

ATI's x850xt Blizzard, which uses liquid metal cooling.
Submerged cooling (can't seem to find the original website w/ many more pics)
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2005, 03:01:37 PM »

Cholla, It's nice to see some custom venting.....almost every case I have has been modified in some way or the other......Dremmels, drills and jigsaws and snips....good tools to have on hand when it comes to case mods.

Your system keeps the noise outside? correct? that a good thing, but in the summer are you ducting hot air in?  In the winter you could suck all of the cold air from outside and overclock the brains out of it!

Anyway nice idea, got that gray matter working!

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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2005, 03:16:43 PM »

Buzz : I haven't done this yet just in the planning stage.But you got the air flow in the plan backwards.My plan draws the exhaust air from the power supply(hot air from inside of the PC case) to another room or the attic or outside which ever someone using the plan wants too.
The suction of the fan would increase intake air from inside the room to the PC case.
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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2005, 10:29:58 PM »

OK if you have an air condition running inside you would certainly cool it off, or even if the temp is lower inside than out......the ducted fan noise is up in the attic right? Not in the same room as the computer??

Will there be any condensation issues to deal with??  really hot air in the case cooled down real fast??  probably not till you reach the outside vent part.....and it wouldn't matter outside......just don't want you to get a "Buzz" from electricity!!

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